Sam Bushman sits down with David Lapp, co-founder of Braver Angels and director of the Citizens' Commission on Immigration, for a wide-ranging conversation about civil discourse, immigration reform, and what it means to be an American at 250 years. They discuss Sam's "Justice and Mercy" immigration plan, Braver Angels' Common Ground Workshops, the remarkable friendship between a DACA advocate and an anti-amnesty activist who now co-chair the same convention, and why you don't have to give up your beliefs to find common ground. Braver Angels is hosting its national convention in Philadelphia, June 25-28, 2026. Learn more and register at braverangels.org/convention. Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro & the UFC fight on the White House lawn 2:20 - Welcome: Sam Bushman & the Braver Angels mission 2:23 - David Lapp intro: co-founder, Citizens' Commission on Immigration 13:00 - Guest intro: David Lapp joins the conversation 17:19 - Common ground on immigration: E-Verify, DACA, and border security 26:38 - Braver Angels convention promo (Philadelphia, June 25-28) 13:13 - Sam's "Justice and Mercy" American Immigration Plan 14:57 - Braver Angels Common Ground Workshops explained 27:15 - "Ask an Immigrant" TV show (LovingLiberty.net) 34:42 - Jim Robb and Diego Sanchez: opponents become co-chairs 48:26 - How Braver Angels was founded after the 2016 election 49:36 - Closing thoughts & where to learn more Call to Action: If this conversation gave you hope that Americans can still work through our differences, don't just watch — get involved. Join Braver Angels at braverangels.org and consider attending the national convention in Philadelphia, June 25-28, 2026. You don't have to compromise your beliefs. You just have to show up. Register at braverangels.org/convention.
