Timestamps:
0:00 Intro and show open
1:38 Elizabeth's background in political consulting
4:36 When did things get so bad? The 2016 turning point
4:56 Elizabeth responds: polarization predates 2016
5:38 Trust, media, and what Braver Angels figured out
6:31 Are parties the problem? George Washington's warning
8:33 Counterintuitive take: parties are too WEAK, not too strong
11:57 Braver Angels National Convention details
16:04 Inside the convention: debates, workshops, and breakout sessions
19:47 Hot debate question: Is the founders' vision outdated?
21:31 Should we abolish parties entirely?
23:51 Wrap-up and final thoughts
Call to Action:
If this conversation got you thinking, visit braverangels.org to learn more, find a workshop near you, and register for the National Convention in Philadelphia, June 25-28, 2026. You can attend in person at Temple University or watch online. Learn to disagree better without giving up what you believe.

