Hold Trump Accountable Without Another Impeachment? | 11-12-26
Liberty RoundTable PodcastNovember 12, 20260:24:5011.37 MB

Hold Trump Accountable Without Another Impeachment? | 11-12-26

How do you hold leaders accountable while offering a path back to constitutional government? Sam Bushman and Curt Crosby discuss President Trump, impeachment, and the balance between demanding change and allowing room for correction.

This Liberty Round Table episode also explores personal integrity, forgiveness, AI cybersecurity risks, and gold and silver in the Honest Money Report. The hosts discuss a sugar-related health study, debate who should pay for AI data center infrastructure, and weigh constitutional questions surrounding military action.

The conversation closes with their perspectives on Social Security, privately funded children’s investment accounts, and encouraging wealthy Americans to invest in the next generation.

Linked Timestamps

00:00 Liberty Round Table introduction

00:48 Marriage, personal integrity, and responsibility

03:23 Accountability, repentance, and second chances

05:34 AI agents, wind farms, and cybersecurity risks

06:54 Honest Money Report: Gold, silver, and dollar purchasing power

08:51 Sugar study discussion and calls to research alternatives

10:58 Promotional break: Book and CSPOA membership

12:37 Jim Jordan, Republican priorities, and impeachment concerns

14:27 Returning to constitutional government while holding Trump accountable

17:15 Who should pay for AI data center grid upgrades?

20:15 Massie, Hegseth, and constitutional limits on military action

21:43 Social Security, children’s investment accounts, and private philanthropy

24:38 Sponsor information and closing remarks

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[00:00:04] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. Kim Jordan, Mr. Wong, Kurt Crosby, and women. Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans. I'm Sam Bushman. Hard-hitting news the network refused to use starts now. Kurt Crosby is with me. Welcome to the show, sir.

[00:00:35] Buenos Dias. Greetings and salutations. Howdy, howdy, howdy. Thank you, Sam. You're very welcome, sir. Kurt's not with women. He has one wife and proud of it. You've been married for how long? 40 years? 45. 45 years, ladies and gentlemen. That's how you do it when you do it right, my fellow Americans. God has a law about marriage, and when you act within that law, you're blessed.

[00:00:58] When you don't, it doesn't go so well. Speaking of that, NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang resigned, effective immediately. I guess he had an affair. He apologized and acted like it was just one, and then another woman came forward, and who knows how many more will come forward. It's a tragic, sad tale to tell. Well, Chipmaker decides to name the new CFO, Colette Kress, I think is how you say her name.

[00:01:25] K-R-E-S-S, Colette Kress, as interim CEO. And Colette has been with the company for quite a while. In fact, she takes a lot of credit with Huang for, you know, the... Back in the 90s, NVIDIA was just a, you know, video card company. And it wasn't that big. It wasn't that important. There was competitors, et cetera.

[00:01:46] And then AI came along, and GPUs, and I don't mean to be too technical about this, but, you know, the hardware became so magical, so valuable, that this company became one of the biggest companies in the world. His resignation, effective immediately. And this is the problem. And Dr. Scott Bradley brings this up so well. You know, if you can't trust this guy with his spouse, or without his spouse, whatever you want to call it,

[00:02:15] how do you trust him with some great secrets of technology? And, you know, if he's with a Chinese woman, how do you know he didn't give Chinese information they shouldn't have, and or products they shouldn't have? The lists go on and on. Do you want to respond to this one, Kurt? I think this is a tragic reality. And it's basically, in my opinion, an ailment of our times, if you will. Well, I couldn't agree more, Sam. And, you know, it's the long move, you know what I mean?

[00:02:45] I heard that. You know, over and over. And, you know, like you said, it's sad for his wife and his children. And, you know, I mean, we get told that, hey, in this life, the main thing you want is, you know, he who owns the most toys or whatever wins. I mean, it's lies, Sam.

[00:03:09] And, you know, what really makes it, if you will, a win is if you've done the things that the God of heaven, well, says you're supposed to do. Amen to that. Anyway, our goal is not to attack him when he's down. I do want to say this. You know, we believe in second chances, third chances. The Lord gives us many, many, many chances. And there is a road to recovery. You know, all is not lost for him.

[00:03:37] But what he needs to do is turn away from that. And, you know, but the problem is, and this is a very difficult thing to be a judge of, you know, very, you know, whenever you're famous, whenever you're popular, whenever you're rich, whenever you're the whatever, whenever, you know, it's very difficult not to partake in the ways of the world and fall. And so I'm not here to attack this person when he's down. I hope he can keep his family together. I hope he can, you know, move on the road to repentance, which means change. And not to do that. A lot of people look at repentance as quite negative.

[00:04:07] I look at it as a blessing from God. He gives us this opportunity to change. And, you know, the Savior of us all has atonement can cover those things. And so I'm not here to attack this guy. I am here to say it's a sad day for America. It's a sad day for this massive worldwide company. It's a sad day for him. It's a sad day for the people that he was involved with that he ought not be. It's a sad day for his wife and his family. And, you know, we shouldn't jump on and pounce.

[00:04:33] We should, you know, teach the way forward in my mind. Kurt? Well, you've said it. That's exactly right, Sam. And, you know, there's nothing more to be said, I believe, about that issue. Yeah, the only other thing I would say is this. Remember, folks, that does not mean that we're excusing the behavior. It's not what we're talking about.

[00:04:58] What we are saying is there's behavior which is wrong and right, and we'll call it as we see it, call it as God sees it to the best of our ability. He lays down the rules, and we do our best to understand, articulate, teach, follow them. And so we're not dismissing this behavior, whatever, whether it be Donald Trump, whether it be Bill Clinton, whether it be this guy or countless, sadly, others, biblically David speaking and others.

[00:05:20] You know, but we do know if you read Psalms and if you read, you know, there is a way forward and there is forgiveness and there is hope and there is change. And that's really what we kind of want to point at with this thing as well. By the way, AI agents were tasked with hacking wind farms, Kurt. Kurt says... AI agents attacking wind farms. Yes, sir. Well, it's not a surprise. They attacked the wind farm. Those guys like to attack everything, don't they?

[00:05:49] And they took it down in two hours. Yeah, and they weren't out there hacking that thing, knocking it over. They were hacking the software. They were just a digital deal. You know, AI can be used for good or for bad like any technology, Kurt. Wow. I use it for a lot of good, by the way. Mm-hmm. I don't use it for hacking or cheating or any of that kind of thing. Yeah, I mean, imagine that. The point that I'm getting at, though, is it can be very destructive.

[00:06:16] And we have an NVIDIA company that creates the hardware for this AI stuff to run, and then he has all kinds of compromising situations. It makes matters much worse. So I don't know what's going to happen on the heels of this. I'm sure Congress will be looking into the NVIDIA deal, and they won't be looking into the sexual escapades part.

[00:06:36] What they'll be looking into, in my mind, is the national security questions, the issue of technology getting into the wrong hands and used for wrongful purposes, etc., etc. Anyway, so I just thought I'd bring that to your attention. Just kind of a sad tale to tell for sure. Gold and silver, it is the honest money hour, Kurt. And in honest money hour, we normally have, you know, our experts from the FreeWaterCoinCo.com

[00:07:04] But Heath and Brian aren't here today, but they'll be back next week. And in the meantime, though, silver and gold, kind of an interesting twist. It looks like, what do they say, gold's at $3,891 or $92? Wow. $3,892. So it's down a bit. Oh, sale. Remember. Yeah, it's a big sale on gold. What people need to remember, though, is that, again, it holds its value, and our dollar is what's changing.

[00:07:33] And so it looks like it's down quite a bit. It just means it's a good time to get gold. Silver, $51, Kurt. Wow. You know, all I can say is... That's when they say it's down, but it's up, right? It's down from its high. It's way up from what we saw for the longest time, though. Yeah. So what they're really telling you is that a $1 silver coin minted from your U.S. government right now, Sam,

[00:08:02] is going to cost you close to $60. So you just got to ask yourself a simple question. When you look at the money, it says $1, $1, $1. There's about three or four of them that say $1 on them. And then you just ask yourself, well, who's telling the truth? Well, Donald wants to get to the bottom of the fraud. That's a great place to start, isn't it, Kurt? Amen to that, man. I mean, just think about it. We support Trump in that 1,000%. Oh, yeah.

[00:08:31] Like right now, you can buy a dime for less than $4. So, I mean, you're just talking about it's the right kind of dime, you know. That just tells you almost a gallon of gas is about a dime. Yeah. The right dime. All right. There's an interesting study out, ladies and gentlemen. I thought Kurt Crosby would love to talk about this one.

[00:08:55] The headline says, study finds that 28% higher breast cancer risk among women eating sugary foods more than twice weekly. What a shock, Sam. So, you know, you start pounding the sugar, you get a greater chance of breast cancer and all that kind of stuff. And, you know, it's a sad deal, Kurt. Wait a minute. So, you're telling me if you eat the wrong things, it's bad for your body? Yes, sir. Wow.

[00:09:25] This is some record-breaking brown, breaking news. This is Liberty Roundtable Live, sir. Yeah. Well, you know, and that's, of course, why we recommend you eat, well, the sweet stuff that God makes for you to eat. And that would be all the fruits that, you know, I mean, so many of them taste so good and sweet. And then the good honey that God makes. I mean, Sam, that's amazing. And so, I'd like to challenge Bobby Kennedy and company.

[00:09:53] You know, they have this, you know, big ripping article, headline in a study and everything else. Study finds 28% higher risk for women that eat sugar more than twice a week. And I'd like to say, why don't you do a honey study right alongside that baby? Oh, baby. Yeah. Good point. You know, and it's cool. Like, on the screen, Sam, it's got this cool little thing going across. It says, study finds 28% higher breast cancer risk among women eating sugary foods more than twice weekly. That's a pretty cool thing. What do they call those?

[00:10:23] Tickers. Oh, yeah. Okay, good. I remember there was a certain phrase. When they scroll across the screen, they're tickers and they're, you know, taking up the bottom third. They're called bottom thirds and that kind of stuff. Oh, yeah. Well, anyway, nice work. Whoever did that. We're going to take a quick pause, though. And I'm just urging Bobby Kennedy and company to do honey alongside and some of the other natural solutions for sugar. You know, stevia and that kind of stuff. I'd like to see those kind of things in the study as well.

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[00:12:39] I don't think Jim's perfect, but he's probably one of the best ones up there by far. And so I'm at least glad to see that out of the Republicans. I don't know why they spent their time doing that when they've got like 60 days to go ahead and take care of business before the Democrats' reign of terror start to happen. I wish they'd spend time, you know, electing their House person on Democrat time, not on our own time to pass things and really set the stage to show what we can do in 2028, given the opportunity in a short 18 months or so.

[00:13:07] But anyway, they did put Jim Jordan at the helm. And I don't think they could have found a better person in Congress right now to do it. I think he's better than Scalise and everything else. But Jim Jordan now warns Americans to brace for a third-party Donald Trump impeachment. He says, quote, they just can't help themselves. Sadly, I think he's right, Kurt. It's just a disgrace. Jim is right. It's not a disgrace of what Jim's saying. It's a disgrace that they want to do this, though. Now you can say, well, Trump's done some wrong things.

[00:13:36] I understand all that kind of stuff. I just don't know that impeaching somebody over and over and over just out of hate and spite is the answer. Well, I mean, imagine Sam doing it, you know, over and over and getting the same result. You know, that's basically what they're going to get. I mean, they hate the guy pretty bad. And it's just, you know, that Trump derangement syndrome is just tough to, you know, leave alone, don't you think? I agree.

[00:14:06] And, you know, he says it right, though. He says they just can't help themselves. I think, sadly, it's probably going to happen. And, you know, in my mind, both sides ought not go on a bender to attack. Yeah. You know, it's kind of like I don't think Trump should have gone to war. That's just my opinion. My opinion is because of the Constitution. Nevertheless, we're there. Yeah. And you know what? I would like to move back to the Constitution. Okay?

[00:14:31] But one thing people need to understand is when you've had president after president after president after president move further and further and further from the Constitution, and then Trump takes the helm, you can't just go, boom, we're all back constitutional 100% now. Good point. Because that's not the way it works. It's taken 100 years to bring us as far away from the proper role of limited constitutional government, you know, plus. And so, you know, I do want Trump to be accountable.

[00:14:57] But the way I think you make him accountable is you say, Donald, we're not going to tolerate you doing that anymore. You've already done it. We're not going to prosecute you because we see the train of abuses before you. And we see that, you know, you're just acting according to the way other Congresses have allowed you to. We don't think that's right. And we're going to march back to the Constitution. And so, you know, I think there should be some warnings. I think there should be some second chances. I think that there should be some education. For example, we tell sheriffs, we don't just walk in and say, you're not a constitutional sheriff. Get the heck out of here.

[00:15:26] We say, hold on, sheriff. You know what? We'd love you to be a constitutional sheriff. We'd love you. And so we first off make friends and build a relationship with him so that he can understand that we don't have bad intentions, that we're really on his side. Right? We feel like if we develop a relationship of trust, then he can listen to us. And then we give that sheriff every opportunity to grow and to learn and to change. You know, we can't just expect every one of us to know the Constitution right out of the gate. And we go to school. We're not taught it. Our society doesn't cherish it.

[00:15:55] And so, you know, you can't blame President Trump for not being squared with it. But what you can do is say we're going to move back over time. And, you know, we want to accelerate. We don't want it to take 100 years to get back president. But we do want to give you some grace and some opportunity and some training and some guidance and support and some love to get that done. And we wanted to offer that to Biden, too. The problem is Biden couldn't understand what we wanted to teach him. So that wasn't possible. But with Trump, it's absolutely possible. And that's the way I think it's best to go about it. Kurt, your thoughts?

[00:16:26] Well, yeah. You know, I mean, imagine showing him Article 1, Section 10, where it says, No state shall make anything but gold and silver coin and tender and payment of debts. I mean, you just show him the simple little paragraph there and go, what's up with this? You know, I mean, there's a lot that could be done.

[00:16:47] And, you know, if anybody's going to do it, getting rid of the Federal Reserve and the IRS and all the unconstitutional agencies, I haven't seen anybody else more likely to do it in my lifetime. Well, and Trump's even mentioned or, you know, kind of brought it up and stuff. So he does have some understanding. What we need to give him is the support and the increased, you know, focus and desire and mojo that, hey, this is what the people want. That's the best thing we can do to advocate for that in my mind. All right.

[00:17:16] The Senate's now taken up a bill that would make large data centers for AI pay more for grid upgrade. The bipartisan measure, they say, would speed approval for new power plants and transmission lines while requiring large data center operators to cover more of the cost of the upgrades needed, you know, for these centers and everything else. Trump urged senators to pass it.

[00:17:44] And anyway, I look at this, though, Kurt, and just say, you know, I don't think government ought to be involved in these. But again, if we're going to do it, rather than having the people shoulder all the responsibilities and use a lot of these taxing, you know, I don't know what you call them, but they're like PIDs. I think they're called, you know, something development zones or whatever they are where they can bond and get special privileges on bonding.

[00:18:10] And, you know, they basically put in hawk the taxpayers and their children and their children's children and so on. I think that stuff needs to stop. But I do understand that, hey, you can't just soak the average American for all these big, massive data centers because the corporations of the world, the big corps, they use way more AI, way more data than any of us do. And so there does need to be a balance there is the point, Kurt.

[00:18:33] Well, and it seems like if we're going to be on the hook for all the, you know, losses, if you will, or the potential, you know, downfalls, then couldn't we also be on the hook for the gains? You know, like the, you know what I mean? The possibilities of the. Yeah, like Alaska kind of, right? Well, yeah. I mean, Alaska does that, you know, every year.

[00:18:56] And they do that with a lot of their resources, oil, and I can't remember what other minerals and things like that, but they have a kind of a partnership program to some degree. And, you know, some would say, well, that borders on socialism. But, see, I don't really think so in those scenarios. I think there's a difference there that we need to kind of understand. What's the difference? Well, we all own the land. Yep. And so there's. There's that song. This land is your land. Remember that one? That's right. Yeah.

[00:19:21] But rather than just stealing from Peter to take Paul, this is saying, hey, we all have some joint interest in something that does have value and have asset wealth. I'd do it, if you will. And anyway, so I think that there's a lot that could go on there that could make a difference. And, you know, a lot of times people want to criticize Trump for a lot of the actions that he's taking, investing in companies. And I'm not really a fan of some of that, but at the same time, if we're going to call some of these things beyond private sector business, they're going to be infrastructure.

[00:19:48] Then at some point you say, well, if it's just infrastructure, then you can't just let the corporations have monopolies on infrastructure. So, you know, what are the answers? And in modern day, people are trying to work through a lot of this stuff, Kurt, and it's very complex. There are solutions. There are. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, so many of them are just right there before us. I wanted to ask you a question, Sam. What did you think of the whole? I'm just kidding.

[00:20:15] What did you think of the whole Massey-Hegseth, the latest deal? Well, I will say this. Again, I bring up how I brought the Constitution about President Trump, and I would say Thomas Massey's right. Okay, he's right about that. But where I think Massey's a little bit wrong and unfair is, you know, you're just going to beat up Hegseth for doing what he's told by the president? I don't think so. At some point, you know, you serve in the administration, you know, you do have to answer to your boss.

[00:20:45] And you can say, well, you know, you can't just say I was just following orders. I understand. But we're so far from the Constitution. We've been in so many wars since World War II where it was properly declared. We've been at war virtually almost the whole time. And so it's very hard when you plug in a guy like Pete Hegseth and say, yeah, we're going to hold you to the 100% constitutional line. No one's been held to that for almost 100 years, you know, 80 years plus or whatever. But you, buddy, we're holding you to the line. See, I don't think that's right either.

[00:21:13] It's kind of like Social Security. I want to get rid of Social Security. But I don't want to just chop it off and break promises that we made to people. So there is something to finding our way back. There's something to landing the plane safely. There's something to grace before, you know, mercy before justice to some degree. And I think the same thing applies here. So I think factually speaking, I believe Thomas Massey's right. However, I don't think it's the way to go about it, in my opinion. And I think he lost big, and there's a reason for it, Kurt.

[00:21:42] Well, another question for you, quick, on the Social Security thing. What did you think of, you know, these moves like with President Trump and the Dell Corporation and these different ones where they're putting money into, you know, the, what, kids' accounts or whatever? Well, I think if you want to do private sector money, let me say that again, private sector money. Okay, whose money is it? It's Michael Dell's, right? Yeah.

[00:22:12] Okay, let me say that again. It's Michael Dell's. Right. And the reason I hammer those points home is it's private sector and Michael Dell's, if he wants to give a big philanthropy effort to children, in my opinion, the guy's a hero. Well, and it's a solution to that Social Security thing, isn't it, Sam? I think it is. You start weaning at least the Americans off that and on to, you know, I mean, how many times have we seen it

[00:22:40] where they'd be like, man, if you really invested the money they take from you for Social Security and what your result would really be. And you'd actually have more. Oh, yeah. And that's why I support Michael Dell in this. I also think Bill Gates ought to be brought to the table. I think Elon Musk. I think if you did it right, and I think Trump's done well at this, but I think he could do better. He needs people like me and you to help him because, you know, he can't tell everything to everybody all the time. He's only one guy. Right.

[00:23:06] But what I think we should do is we should challenge all these other big people, Taylor Swift and Bill Gates and Elon Musk and whoever, you know, have them all. You know, hey, why don't you invest in the younger generation? America's been so good to you, you become just absolutely filthy rich. And now, hey, why don't you invest in the next generation? After all, you know, the world's, you know, can be a better place and you have a role to play. And so I think there's a lot of good that can go there. And I think that's what we should do.

[00:23:35] I think we all should lean into the churches and a lot of the educational programs the churches are doing. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, our church, for example, Kurt, they have a huge worldwide education system. It's amazing. And other, you know, religious organizations like Catholics and others have those things, too. So we don't have an exclusive on that. But I think those are great ways to make a big difference. So if you ask me, I applaud them, Kurt. Amen to that. And that's just my opinion. Again, private sector.

[00:24:05] And whose money is it? You know, now, if I was a multi-billionaire, I'd be trying to put together some great things. Dolly Parton did a lot of great things for children, too. And, you know, we want to encourage people to always anxiously be engaged in a great cause, in my opinion. Wow. All right. Fed chair and Donald Trump were at odds. And, you know, at first somebody's lying. But I got a different thought on that. We'll tell you about that, too, coming up. I'm Sam. He's Kurt. And, you know, it is the Honest Money Report. So gold, $38.92.

[00:24:35] Silver, $51. So it's a good time to buy, baby. FreeWaterCoinCo.com. Check them out. I'm Sam. He's Kurt. And God save our constitutional republic. Thank you.