Radio Show Hour 1 – 05/08/2025

[00:00:13] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right. Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans. Sam Bushman live on your radio. Hard-hitting news the network refused to use, no doubt, starts now. This, my fellow Americans, is the broadcast for May 8th in the year of our Lord 2025.

[00:00:40] This is Hour 1 of 2, and the goal always is to protect life, liberty, and property, to promote God, family, and country, and to do so on your radio in the traditions of our founding fathers. Yes, indeed. We use all the checks and balances brilliantly put in place in the supreme law of the land. That is our guide, ladies and gentlemen. It's called the Constitution. We've got to bring it back, people. We blame the Constitution for the problems of America, but, man, that's misguided. It's the fact that we're not using the supreme law of the land.

[00:01:07] We're not using the checks and balances. We, the people, are not involved, and we must be. Without it, we can't succeed. Welcome to the show. Hope you're all doing absolutely fantastic. Yesterday, we had on James Edwards, thepoliticalassesspool.org, with us. He does a great job. We talked about Trump to welcome first batch of white South African refugees

[00:01:31] fleeing government-sponsored what they call racial persecution. They'll be coming to the U.S. in the next several days, according to thegatewaypundit.com. And Trump signed an executive order on February the 7th related to this, halting all USAID to South Africa, citing government-sponsored race-based discrimination,

[00:01:59] including racially discriminatory the stealing of private property. They call it property confiscation is what it's called. Julius Mayle, however you say that name, told supporters, we must be able to explain to our people what black consciousness is and why it cannot coexist with white people and white people's agenda. One of us has to go. Whoa.

[00:02:31] Hey, they both can't exist. Following the executive order, the U.S. Embassy in South Africa, I guess reported that they have a list of 67,000 individuals interested in protection status under this program. Now you say, Sam, why would you guys be fine with that when you're not fine with all the other illegal aliens? Is it just because they're white that you're fine with them going to America? No, it's how we're doing it. See, these other illegals just roll in illegally. Criminals everywhere among them.

[00:03:01] And I've always put together a justice and a mercy plan, follow the Prince of Peace when it comes to immigration. Hey, if you're a hardcore criminal, we're going to hardcore justice. We're going to kick you out of the country. You know, but we need a merciful plan. And people who are seeking a better life, think about this. They're in South Africa. They're not fleeing their country and, you know, crossing the borders into the United States illegally. The U.S. Embassy said, hey, we've got a list of 67,000 people interested in this program.

[00:03:32] Wow. So there's a lot of difference when it comes to the proper role of government and obeying the law and everything else. In contrast, Tom Holman announced that the Trump administration will triple the workforce in sanctuary cities. Tom says, we're going to flood the zones with officers. I think that needs to be done, folks. Turns out that Trump wants to give $1,000 to every immigrant that's willing to self-deport,

[00:04:02] saving thousands of dollars in deportation costs. Sad part is news is starting to show that Donald Trump is not exporting or deporting people any faster than other presidents have done. So hopefully he's getting rid of the worst of the worst, but it's not near what we were promised. Attorney Ty Kleppinger doing a great job turning up the heat on the FBI. He's, you know, name and names and everything else.

[00:04:28] Kleppinger has released a scathing rebuke of the FBI's ongoing stonewalling in the Seth Ridge case. Yeah, that's an old case. He's accusing the Bureau of peddling what they call incredibly weak excuses to hide thousands of critical documents that relate to Seth Ridge and the Russian hoax and everything else.

[00:04:58] And sad, I have to agree, it's a shame. I don't know what Pam Bondi and those guys are doing. We've got a Jeffrey Epstein story too we'll talk about coming up regarding Pam Bondi and crew. What's happening? It's not as we were told, that's for sure. Shame, ladies and gentlemen. The Real ID Act will be enforced nationwide in all 50 states. It began yesterday. But now the good news is, Kristi Noem says, you have a little more scrutiny, but you can still fly without the card.

[00:05:26] Conservatives are championing Kristi Noem's efforts, but the people who love Real ID are just going ballistic. So that's the deal. They will face extra screening and delays at the airport. It's kind of the deal. So there you go. I just don't even understand what the extra screening would be about. Just because I don't have a real ID, that doesn't mean I'm any greater threat, right, than I was the day before. Anyway, that was hour one of Liberty Roundtable Live yesterday with James Edwards.

[00:05:55] Hour two, we talked about Doge claims, $165 billion in savings. Sounds really good on the surface, but man, Musk talked about $2 trillion. Then it went to $1 trillion. Then it went to a half a trillion. And now it's down to $165 billion. Not even close. Now, am I grateful for every effort made and every penny cut? Absolutely.

[00:06:24] But man, it's so far from the promises, it's not even funny. Trump, quote, free Tina Peters now. This is one of the biggest stories in the country, in my opinion, that no one's paying attention to. We've got to free Tina Peters, folks. Donald Trump, you're right. We thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your leadership on this. We also want you to please free Sheriff Scott Jenkins. Trump, please free Sheriff Scott Jenkins.

[00:06:54] All right, the White House has launched a website to promote its accomplishments. It's whitehouse.gov slash wire. Check it out. Very interesting. I commend Donald Trump for doing this. I've been telling him they ought to do something like this for a long time. Now, every day in my inbox, I get several stories with Donald Trump's perspective. Very, very good. Representative Marley Teijer, Marley, wow.

[00:07:18] Marjorie Taylor Greene is not happy with the direction of the Trump administration. She's warning people that, hey, those who are whispering in the president's ear are lying to Trump. Greene told, quote, Steve Bannon on his talk show, it's a lie. There is no wedge between the base and Donald Trump. The wedge is between Congress and the establishment old-style Republicans, George Bush desk, if you will,

[00:07:47] and the MAGA, the folks that want to follow Trump. That's the divide. The divide's not like they want you to believe. Joseph Farah told us it was World Net Daily's 28th birthday this week, and they say, please help us make sure there's a 29th. I'm sure they want some donations over at WND.com. WND is one of my favorite sites, though. They've done a great job for years. Now, they back Israel. I don't. But they're very Christian. They do a good job on most, most stories. All right.

[00:08:16] Citing national security, Donald Trump says he'll oppose 100% tariff on movies made outside the United States. I think there needs to be a whole lot more clarity on that, baby. I'll tell you that right now. Clarity is king. I don't know what on earth it all means. I get that, hey, we've got to make a change. I get tariffs. I'm fine with that. But at some point, the tariffs are way too extreme. And Donald Trump, just so you know, Congress needs to be involved here.

[00:08:43] You can't just order by executive order and dictate. You've got to bring in the checks and balances. You say, well, Congress won't do my bidding. Well, then why did you back Johnson for speaker? Get a real speaker. Help the American people understand what we need to do, which is elect new people. If the clowns, other clowns won't carry the ball, we've got to find somebody who will.

[00:09:05] The Supreme Court lifted a lower court injunction on President Donald Trump's, quote, transgender military ban, allowing the policy to proceed while legal challenges continue. That's good news. The White House reneged on a plan to zero out funding for the Head Start program. So how are we going to get rid of the Education Department if they can't even get rid of Head Start? I mean, the least you could do is leave kids home with mom from ages 2 to 4 or 3 to 5 or whatever.

[00:09:35] They can't even get that done. So the White House reneged on the plan to zero out funding for Head Start. That doesn't bode well for the education shutdown at the federal government level. I wish we could get more done on a lot of these fronts. But, man, it is so hard. It is so hard to get a lot of these things done. I just don't know what to say about it. I mean, there's just so much that needs to be done.

[00:10:02] So little time to get it all done, right? Anyway, we've got a lot of work to do, people. And we can't just depend on our government to do it. We have to do it ourselves, okay? Anyway, we had Richard Mack on for a little bit on Tuesday as well. And we talked about several different topics with him. Primarily, we talked about the Biden pipeline. Nord 2 pipeline.

[00:10:32] If Russia invades Ukraine or Ukraine. Joe Biden said he'd blow it up. Now, Trump says a lot of people know who blew up the Nord Stream. Why isn't Trump being arrested is what I want to know. Not Trump. I'm sorry. Why isn't Biden being arrested? Joe Biden, why not? Did he really blow up the pipeline? Is that a war crime? Just wondering.

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[00:13:03] All right, back with you live, ladies and gentlemen. Our segment on honest money starts now. Brian Rust, FreeWaterCoinCo.com. Welcome back, sir. Thank you. Thank you much, Sam. Glad to be with you. There's a new book out. Reveals Biden's top aides declined to have him take a cognitive test, fearing, quote, mental decline. They knew about all this, Brian, ahead of time. And now we find out that Joe Biden did all kinds of things.

[00:13:33] Why isn't he arrested for this kind of stuff? Well, that's a good question. And that's one question that would help answer a lot of other questions of why don't they arrest a lot of these criminals that continue to do stuff. And I find it a criminal act. If they knew that Biden was in this point, isn't that kind of a criminal aspect of not stepping forward?

[00:13:59] Because if they are working for the American public, then we have a right for them to blow the whistle or whatever and say, wait a minute. He's not in his right mind. So I find that interesting. The leader of the world, the commander and chief of the greatest army in the world and everything else, if he's not cognizant enough to take the oath, that's a big problem, number one. And it's another thing if you say, listen, he's at the end of his presidency. Everything is fine.

[00:14:29] We've got good people around him. Let's let it go for the rest of the term. Now, I don't agree with that, but I can understand that. But here's what Mike Johnson did on the Republican side of the aisle. He knew a year ahead of time and he still didn't say a word and allowed Joe Biden to run again. I mean, why would you do a thing like that? It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever, Brian. Well, that's it. I mean, that's that's kind of what I'm saying as well.

[00:14:59] I mean, if you know and you're not going to say anything about it and you allow these things to happen and now we get farther, farther down the road and let's say he wins the presidency. Where do we stand now? I mean, it's you know, he wasn't he wasn't able to do what he needed to do before. And now he's in again. I mean, it could have been a disastrous thing. And and I would say, you know, there's so many things that happened as a result and have put us in positions of not good.

[00:15:26] And so by not stepping up and doing your job, then now now, you know, it comes back to haunt you maybe. But you should have you should have done the right thing in the first place. You know, two wrong to two wrongs don't make it right. Amen to that. It seems to me like there needs to be a comeuppance happening here. You know, Mike Johnson sitting on his hands, sitting on the sidelines. I don't know what to think about that except to say we're literally.

[00:15:55] We're against the deep state people. That's the problem. In fact, it's so bad. You know, Trump wanted to get rid of the education department, but now a headline says the Trump administration has reversed course on a proposal to cut all funding for Head Start. They can't even get rid of funding for the three to five year olds, Brian. Well, that's that's what I'm saying. We've got ourselves in such a twisted situation that we can't move forward.

[00:16:22] We're still trying to unravel this twisted knot before we can go forward. And I just find that, gosh, it's it's and we've allowed this to happen. I mean, in this deep state, it seems like the you know, here's here's what you you can do in the office that you sit. And it seems like it doesn't matter. It seems like, OK, they get into office and, well, this is really what I should do. But I'm going to do this and just see if anybody calls it out. And there's been so much of that, really.

[00:16:51] Well, it's not under your jurisdiction. Well, we don't care. They're not going to what are they going to do? Right. And so now we're so twisted up that it's a mess. It's it's chaotic. Can't even get to the. Yeah. It's taken us so long to unravel. I hope he gets it unraveled before he's out of office. Trump. So. Amen to that. Now, I find that interesting. Ron Paul's so concerned about this. He wrote a column called The Empire Strikes Back. And in that column, it's kind of interesting, Brian.

[00:17:21] He says this. Everything Doge promised to do will evaporate unless Congress acts on its recommendations. Why? Because Doge doesn't have the authority. To cut funding. It only has the permission or authority to recommend cuts. It turns out. Only Congress and the president after Congress signing it can make these cuts real.

[00:17:47] Now, I bring that up because even Ron Paul is blatantly telling you what I've been saying right from the very beginning. I appreciate the executive orders for leadership purposes to say that I'm on board to sign something and I want to put pressure on you guys to pass it. But at the end of the day, we don't see Congress doing anything. What have they even done in the last 130 days? No one even knows. Well, that's exactly right.

[00:18:11] And that's part of the problem is that they're still not working together for saying I'm a little frustrated because the ones that could run. Ron Paul, he's been in there for a long time. You know, Mike Lee's been in there for a long time and they're trying to maybe make headwind and move forward with Trump and get that. But I think they need to do more. You know, I think I mean, they have the strongest voice there. Let's get up and keep keep pushing that voice. I'm not sure.

[00:18:40] I think there could be more done, especially in the accounts of they've been there a while and they have a voice. We as the people are voicing our concerns and we're hoping and that these things are going to take place. But it's a hope. We need these leadership people to step up and do their job. All right. There you have it. They say switching to real ID might actually increase the number of noncitizens voting and illegal battle or ballots.

[00:19:10] That's according to LewRockwell dot com. Real IDs here, Brian. But there's good news and bad news. The good news is that Christy Noem is saying that you don't have to have a real ID. So the liberals are going ballistic over this. But it's in place now. It's kind of a showdown to see what's really going to happen. After 20 years, they got it implemented. Donald didn't stop it. Christy Noem doing actually some good here if she can hang on.

[00:19:40] Well, that's it. That's the issue. They're all doing a little bit of good if they can hang on. The problem is if their terms run out, then now someone else steps in that's kind of wacko. And now we're back to square one. We shouldn't go back to it. I mean, we've already seen the effects of the ballots and illegal voting situations.

[00:20:07] And now we take one step forward that could be good and two steps back that could be bad. I don't know. We're kind of right there again. It's hard for me to know where to go with some of this stuff because, man, it just seems like it's all over the map. And it's really hard to even know the truth. OK. A headline says Fed holds key interest rates steady despite pressure from Trump's central bank.

[00:20:36] I guess Trump cites or the central bank cites higher inflation as the reason that they can't do anything about it. Anyway, Rob Quinn over at Newser brings this up. What do you think of holding the interest rates steady? Well, that's a good question. I read this article by Mike Meharry from Money Metals. He's kind of what he says.

[00:20:57] In a rare moment of honesty, Fed Chairman Powell admitted that he and his fellow central bankers don't know what they are doing as they wrapped up their May Federal Open Market Committee meeting. As expected, the Fed held interest rates steady, taking a wait-and-see attitude. He said there's just so much that we don't know. The Fed people like to maintain their illusion that they are in control.

[00:21:21] But they, you know, there again, they're at a crossroads because, you know, they need to hold the rates for longer and likely raise rates to get inflation under control. But on the other hand, you know, their riddled bubble economy can't function. And so they need – it needs its easy money drug. So they can't do both. And yet that's where they're at. And so now they don't know what to do. They're kind of in a crossroads.

[00:21:48] Well, the reason they don't know what to do is because you can't predict the future, Brian. And to me, what we need is supply and demand, and that will adjust things by its natural interplay of reality. And when you try to get ahead of that and pretend you're caught or pretend you know the future, I mean, it's an impossible task, Brian. No, I get it. They're kind of – but yet, you know, they kind of want to make you feel like, hey, we're in control. We know what we're doing.

[00:22:15] And until they don't know what they're doing and they come out and they look – you know, they've got egg on their face or whatever saying, yeah, we're not really sure because we need to do this. But, yeah, we can't do this. We do this. This happens. And so it's – yeah, and it's – the bottom line basically is the overspending of our taxpayer money. And now Doge has come up with some that they've said – well, a lot. I'd say a lot that's been misused.

[00:22:43] But what are we doing to get the money back? We want to, but Congress isn't doing anything to help there. So it's – there again, everything kind of halved because no one's really doing their job, right? I mean, isn't – that's the issue. We've overspent by hundreds of – well, $100 trillion, let's just say, maybe, or $30 trillion, whatever it is, we've overspent.

[00:23:09] And you can't keep kicking that can down the road and be solvent. So what do you think is going to happen? The Fed doesn't know what they're doing. I'm afraid they're going to wait too long. Even, what, China cut their interest rates? I mean, everybody's realizing cutting interest rates is the thing to do. The problem that I have is I don't think that cutting interest rates is the thing to do. I don't think raising interest rates is the thing to do. And I don't think holding rates steady is the thing to do. What I think the thing to do is get out of it.

[00:23:39] Let them go where they go. So here's the question. If they were left alone based on the market, supply and demand, where do you think rates would go? Higher. Higher. When we come back, let's talk about that. Brian says rates would go higher. And you know what? I agree with him. Okay. We'll talk about this in more detail because I think this is critical to understand. Rates would go higher.

[00:24:05] So while Trump wants rates lower and the Fed holding them steady, they're doing them half of a favor because they would go higher. We'll talk about that with Brian Rust over at FreeWaterCoinCo.com. We'll do it in seconds. Remember, you've got a friend in the honest money business. And this is the one and only Liberty Roundtable Live.

[00:25:01] Breaking news this hour at TownHall.com. I'm Bob Agnew in Washington. President Trump is set to announce a trade agreement with the United Kingdom at this hour. Here's White House correspondent Greg Cluxton. Writing on social media, the president called the deal with Britain a full and comprehensive one that will cement the relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom for many years to come. This is the first trade agreement to be announced since Donald Trump rolled out worldwide tariffs at the beginning of April.

[00:25:27] And it's the first of many deals the administration hopes to sign with other countries. Greg Cluxton, the White House. Meanwhile, the president also confirming talks to be held this week between the U.S. and China. They want to make a deal so badly, that I can tell you. But we've been trying. And it's not a question of like pride. Somebody said, oh, who made the call? Who made the call? It doesn't matter. I will tell you, you would have been happy if you if I gave you the answer to that. But it doesn't matter. The conversation matters, not, you know, how it got set up.

[00:25:55] The president spoke this week with the Salem Radio Network about trade and other issues. The meetings in Switzerland could offer an opportunity for both the U.S. and China to dial down the rhetoric. And Treasury Secretary Scott Besson says that it is unsustainable to go on the way it is. They are working hard, though, to reach a deal. The process could take some time. The cardinals of the Catholic Church taking some time as they have not yet elected a successor to the late Pope Francis. Here's Karen Chavis.

[00:26:22] The cardinals are meeting in a secret conclave for a second day. The conclave opened on Wednesday afternoon. But a first round of voting resulted in black smoke billowing from the Sistine Chapel. That is Karen Chavis reporting. Two more rounds of voting are possible throughout the day today. Bill Gates says he'll donate 99 percent of his remaining tech fortune to the Gates Foundation. That would be worth an estimated $107 billion today. He also announced the foundation will now close in 2045.

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[00:30:24] All right, ladies and gentlemen, the fact the Fed doesn't know what they're doing. Brian Rust, freewatercoinco.com with me. Right before the pause, I said, hey, man, I don't think we've got to lower, higher, or force rates to be the same. I think we've got to let the free market, let them go where they go and where would they go if left to their own, quote, reality check or their own devices? Brian says they'd go higher. Brian, do you want to expand on that for a little bit here?

[00:30:51] Well, they want to raise, would raise the rates probably to get inflation under control, I would say. But if they want, you know, the other side of that is if they, you know, ease the money, then it becomes more people will spend. But I just think that we just didn't really control the inflation really when we could have.

[00:31:18] Maybe we just kept injecting, you know, easy money into the system and so on. There's a number of factors. I mean, you've got to start looking at all this stuff, you know. And my brain goes 100 miles an hour, so I'm thinking of all these different things. But you've got, you know, there was reports that bankruptcy right now is we're at pandemic level highs in quarter one in bankruptcy.

[00:31:44] Well, you know, that's telling you, okay, family's going from everything's great to, wow, now we're in dire straits or panic mode. And companies and corporations doing the same thing tells you there's some major problems out there in that. Another factor is, you know, you just said, can we all take a, you know, on the floor he said, how about we take a 1% pay cut to pay for, you know,

[00:32:13] it would cover all this disaster relief. One thing that no one really talks about is how much more increased have been disasters in our nation or world, fires and all these things that cost money. Well, no one really talks about, well, man, that's going up drastically as far as that. So it's not a 1% cut. It would be a 2% or 3% or 4% cut just to cover that.

[00:32:40] So you can see kind of where we are in our economy, our country, and so on based on just what our governments really put us in a hard place. So I don't know if I answered that or if I went 100 different ways. No, you brought up a lot of good points about, hey, you know, what are we going to fund? When are we going to cut? What are we going to do? And your point is that, hey, interest rates by its natural reality would go higher.

[00:33:09] And the reason that they'd go higher is because it would deal with the inflationary reality that we're facing. It would act as a hedge against the hidden tax known as inflation. The other thing that I think is important to understand about this is even if they were to leave the interest rates alone and let them go, they manipulate in so many other ways that it's not even funny. They've got to stop the quantitative easing. They've got to stop the, you know, these big, huge, you know, criminal loan portfolio kind of things that they're involved in.

[00:33:37] You know, most people are drug into the stock market by force and 401k government controls and everything else to where, hey, the stock market would be virtually nothing if people were allowed complete control of their money. Not government mandated, you know, well, hey, you can't get a raise unless it's through a 401k or you can't this or you can't that. Hey, Brian, you can't get at this until you're 59 and a half years old, buddy. Then you can access this. Listen, whatever the deal, it's all this kind of stuff that they're playing games with.

[00:34:04] I think interest rates would probably go to around 10 percent. Yeah, that's just my guess. I don't think they'd go to the Reagan days of 18, 20 percent stuff. I think it would go up. The reason I said I don't think it would go that high is because I think people would back off in a hurry if interest rates went up. But I'll give you another example of the meddling that they're doing. Look at a house right now. The problem with buying a house isn't that the interest rate is 7 percent. OK, in the history, 7 percent is not that crazy of a rate.

[00:34:32] I mean, I know it abuses you and it's expensive. I get it, but it's not unheard of. It's pretty normal. My first loan in my entire life for a house when I was 16 years old was 8 percent private lender. OK, so that's not undoable. The problem is that home prices are so high now. I mean, who can afford 7 percent of a five hundred thousand dollar house or whatever? And you can't even hardly get any decent house for under 300 grand anymore. And so the problem is these houses are at sky high price. Why?

[00:35:01] Well, because the government controls all the land and there's not a whole lot of land to build on. And the supplies are expensive for all these different reasons. And so there's so many other factors here that we need to understand. And I wish would move more towards the free market. I wish we could have an honest money situation and let supply and demand control all aspects of this and see where we go. And if Americans have enough land and supply and demand is the king, I'm telling you right now, people would build smaller, simpler homes.

[00:35:31] Why do we even have to have a loan to buy a home? Why can't I go live on my land with my tent? Or why can't I, like in the old days, build a one room cabin and live in that dude all summer while I build my house or whatever? You know, the old scrappy days of barn raising and neighbors helping neighbors and doing things inexpensively is gone. And that's part of the problem, too. We need to bring back communities. We need to bring back barter. We need to bring back local economies. And it starts with honest money. So where's gold and silver sitting?

[00:36:00] Brian, if we're going to have honest money, let's find out where we are. Well, we're at $33,6545. What's the highest gold's ever been? Do you know? We've been over $3,400. Okay, but we're still $33,65 is way up there, though, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's strong. Gold is in a strong place. All right. Silver? $32.70.

[00:36:31] $32.70. So a silver eagle silver dollar is almost pushing $40, huh? Yeah. $39. Yeah. Wow. All right. And what's the ratio between gold and silver? That's always important to watch. Should be about, what, 15, 20 to 1? Yeah. Let's look at that. I bet I didn't do that, but let's do it real quick here. Let's see. It's important to understand this stuff, folks, and get kind of a handle on it. They're even manipulating the price of gold and silver on paper, and that's why it's so out of whack, Brian.

[00:37:01] $102 to 1. Whoa. That's getting crazy, Brian. That means silver is either gold's overvaluated or silver's at a huge advantage. Well, silver's a buying place for silver because, you know, realistically, you know, and I get people that come in all the time and just say, gosh, you know, gold's really there and it's strong and everything else, and silver just isn't doing anything. Well, it's like everything.

[00:37:28] If we get the government and these big businesses out of the way and, like you say, get back to just, you know, living on our land and trading with our neighbors, back to, you know, that kind of a scenario where it's not manipulated. And that's the issue right there, the manipulation that goes on with these big corporate because they want the control, you know.

[00:37:54] And if the little guy has their piece of the pie and they're doing all right, the big guy comes in and says, well, we're just going to put all these little guys out of business so that we can have the money and the control. And it seems like that's kind of where we are. And so silver is being manipulated, you know, on paper. If you sell an item 300 times on paper and then you dump these contracts on the exchange, you can drop that up and down.

[00:38:23] It's kind of like that – what's that? The computer – we used to call it – we talked about it over a few years ago where the computer grabs it, drops the price, and they don't even do it. They pull it out before it hits, but the computer doesn't catch it, and then these little glitches and they just manipulate. For sure. You're right about that. Now, I did this two ways, Brian, just for my own education. I took the gold price, $33.65.45.

[00:38:53] And I divided it by 20 because if it was a 21 or 20 to 1 ratio of gold and silver, I got to take the $33.65.45 and divide it by 20. That would be an ounce of silver, right? That means each ounce of silver would be worth $168. Yeah. There you go. All right? Now, if I do it the opposite way, I take silver and I put in, you know, $32 – whatever it is. $70.

[00:39:22] $32.70, and I times that by 20 to get what silver would be. Silver would only be $654, Brian. Yeah, gold. Gold would be $654. I mean, gold would be $654 if we used silver. So you got to decide which one you want to use as your benchmark. That's right. But either way, you look at it and you go, it's so far out of whack. What's going on? And people really kind of need to understand and think about what that means.

[00:39:51] It means they're manipulating everything 100%. Yeah. You're right. Anyway, and I don't think anybody's even bringing attention to it. I mean, where's Trump going? Hey, something's wrong here. You don't hear Trump saying that? No, they don't. You know, it's the same old thing. You know, it's those that have the money make the rules, I guess, or have the big corpse. And, you know, I find it interesting. And this is a part of this whole plan as well. We want accountability.

[00:40:21] We want people to be, you know, we want people, you know, do the right thing. This is where we're at and do the right thing. And if you're doing the wrong thing, then there should be some accountability. Well, you know, they fine these big corporations and they pay big, huge fines. But they make, if you're fined $500 million and you make $5 billion, they don't care. And the government loves it because, well, we could spend more because we just got our $500 million from 10 of these companies. So it's a racket. Hang tight, ladies and gentlemen. More on the racket in seconds.

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[00:43:14] 1792 Coin & Jack pegged gold and silver, 15 ounces of silver to one ounce of gold. 15 to 1, one ounce of Troy or one Troy ounce of gold was valued at 15 ounces of silver. In 1834, I guess it was 16 to 1. It was partially in response to the global movement of silver in the markets, and it was the United States was a little bit out of step with international norms.

[00:43:42] That's when they encouraged the export of gold from the United States. 1873. 1873. I guess it effectively ended the buy metal standard by discontinuing the minting of silver dollars and moving us to a de facto gold standard. And then they moved. Now, it became a contingent point for farmers and anybody who favored the inflationary effect of silver.

[00:44:13] 1900 Gold Standard Act placed the United States on the gold standard solidifying gold as a sole basis for redeeming paper currency. Then they paid gold at $35 an ounce a little later than that. Now, you can, I guess, you can get a silver ounce for $35. But they basically removed the metallic ratio.

[00:44:39] Throughout the 19th century, the gold to silver ratio fluctuated basically globally, they say, due to mining, production, discoveries of gold, silver, international monetary policies. And the U.S. established what they call certain statutory ratios. Anyway, now that's all out the window. So, Brian, here's the question for you. Which one's right?

[00:45:06] Do I need to move silver to the gold number or do I need to move gold to the silver number in terms of its ratio to know the truth on where we really are? Well, silver should go up to that ratio. I mean, it should be $100. Let's say $101 or $100 or $150 even. And the reason I say that is because your currency is not reflective to gold.

[00:45:31] Your asset in gold is a true asset. It's real money. I mean, it's tradable throughout the world, and it holds that value. But you can't look at what we're printing out of thin air and currency and so on and saying, well, this is the money system that's true because it's not true. Because as you have seen, they've just been printing.

[00:45:56] Those machines just keep – well, what's those machines you guys talked about, 16 machines or something? They just go to those machines, and they print whatever they want. Well, that's not true value. That's not true money because it's not really there. And as we can tell, why do we have debt? Well, that's another story is why do we have debt?

[00:46:16] Well, if you can continue to use those machines to print and millions and millions we've talked about or you've talked about that we're spending and people are getting money just because they're who they are or whatever, it's out of control. And so it just goes to – All right, Brian. Sorry, finish? Finish? No, I'm rambling now. No, you're doing great. Go ahead and finish. Well, it's where we're at.

[00:46:42] You can't keep printing money and expect it to be worth anything. And that's why governments and so on don't want to trade in the dollar because it has no value. And so – There you have it. Now, I will say this, Brian, and this is fascinating. You know, we always want to focus on solutions on the radio. So we basically complained a lot about money and the ratio is all out of balance and the interest rates are being manipulated and monetary policy is being manipulated and played with.

[00:47:07] And we've moved ourselves to the fiat dollar, which really only has about two and a half to three cents of real value. Gold and silver is all out of whack and everything else. We had to buy constitutional currency, gold and silver, back in the day. But I personally think the best money scenario would be to create a relationship between a bunch of different things, gold, silver, grain. In other words, tie it to food.

[00:47:35] The people in the Book of Mormon and the other testament of Jesus Christ had such a trading system. And they talk about barley and different grains and gold and silver and this is worth this and this is – they locked the relationship between all those things. And the reason they did is because their attitude was if something gets out of whack, let's say we have a big famine, food will drive that number down. But in relation to everything else, if you keep the ratios locked, then you get the most stable economy you can get.

[00:48:05] Anyway, I think that there's some real examples there that have validity. Yeah, you're exactly right. I like that. But that's real. I mean, let's get out of the controlling aspect of, well, our government controlling everything. I mean, they could control a famine. If they wanted the strawberries to be worth a lot more money, all they had to do was wipe out these strawberries over here where we get them, and now the price just soared. Eggs.

[00:48:33] Didn't eggs go – someone said they'd for $19 or something. Well, if you have the bird thing and you create them – I'm not saying they're creating some of this, but it seems like they probably could. Let's just create the bird flu and now let's kill half these chickens and now, hey, where are they at? See, it's those that control the markets or those that control the land and the food.

[00:48:53] Because if they want to just cut the farmer off and say – because the lifeblood of our country was the farmer and those people that were trading and so on, the hard work and the steel worker and so on. But if you stop the farmer from growing crops and now you rely on this other country to bring it into our country. But then we all of a sudden shut that line off and we are not growing it ourselves. So now the price is – see, they have so much control to do whatever they want, and that's the problem right there.

[00:49:22] Amen. Part of the other problem is this headline says, shredding documents as we speak. Top Republican claims that the Jeffrey Epstein files may have been destroyed. The president ordered them to be released. The attorney general ordered them to be released, but they're not released. WND.com. U.S. Representative James Comer of Kentucky.

[00:49:51] Chairman of the House, quote, oversight committee. Told journalists Betty Johnson on Tuesday, she said, I don't think they have those files anymore. I think they're shut down. I told them to be careful they were going to shred them. I think they have – I don't think that the – Pam Bondi has them anymore. Now, in response to Comer's conjecture, Pam Bondi says, ah, that's not the case. We've got them. Then my question is this. Why not release them, Brian?

[00:50:21] Then if you got them, then go ahead and release them. And she says, I'm looking through all kinds of porn video and all kinds of little kiddie porn video and everything else with all this thing. And I'm thinking, what does that have to do with the documents being released? Okay. Do you get to say if the president of the United States says release them and the attorney general says release them, then the attorney general says, hold on, I'm working on it? I don't really understand it. Something's not right. Something – do you say this or is this, like, bad to say? Something smells rotten in Denmark, right? What's going on?

[00:50:51] It does. It smells rotten. You couldn't write the script any better, Sam, because the script in these stupid plays that we're getting is the fact of they don't care what the president or the attorney general says. They do whatever they want. And the factor is it's almost like these TV shows we watch. You can't even write it. Here's the script, and the corruption is just out of control. But no one gets to the end.

[00:51:18] No one gets – there's no accountability for these people doing it. And life goes on, and we just get – anyway, it's unreal. It's unreal, and that's kind of – the reason I bring this up is, hey, this is a simple question. Are documents being destroyed or not? I would say that – We can't even know right now, factually, right?

[00:51:42] I would say that the – I'd say they're destroyed because it could really, really put a lot of people in nervousness if their names got thrown out there. It's just like where's the gold at Fort Knox? We were supposed to go in and see it. There are no gold at Fort Knox. Oh, yeah. They don't want to go in and show anything. It's the same kind of thing as we kick that can down the road. Well, here's my response, Brian. I don't really care if the documents are shredded or not. And let me tell you why. Because nothing's happening.

[00:52:11] We're not getting anywhere with the truth. No one's getting arrested either way. Right. So let's say they say, ah, we shredded them. Who cares? Or let's say they say, no, they're still in boxes. What does that have to do with the fact that you and I are supposed to get pay dirt in reality and we're supposed to connect the dots and arrest criminals? None of that's happening, right? Regardless, none of that's happening. You're correct. Hey, Cash, you got a belly up to the bar, buddy. You and Pam need to get something done here right now.

[00:52:39] I bring up Cash Patel is now Cash is in a fight with Donald. Oh, gosh. No joke. In response, let me just say it this way, I guess. Let me find this here. That's not my budget, says Cash Patel. Patel tells House panel that the FBI director says he disagrees with Trump's proposed cuts.

[00:53:01] FBI director Cash Patel broke with the Trump administration on Wednesday over his budget proposal that would dramatically slash funding for the bureau, telling confused lawmakers that he doesn't support the cuts. He needs the money. Well, that's a change. He was big time on the cuts. He was going to shut down the FBI and or, you know, whatever. And I guess now that he's appointed, those days are gone, Brian.

[00:53:30] Well, that's what they speak out of both sides of their face. I can't. You know, it's so hard to clean up the swamp. The only way the swamp is going to be cleaned up, ladies and gentlemen, is it's not at Washington, D.C. It's not at your state government level. It's in your own home level. Learn to live lean. Learn to have a victory garden. Learn to barter in your community. Get constitutional currency, gold and silver from freewatercoinco.com or your favorite location.

[00:53:59] And really focus on, hey, how do we make sure none of this economic turmoil affects me if I don't have a lot in the stock market, if I have my own garden, if I live at home and there's ways to cut costs. And we can insulate ourselves big time from a lot of this. We'll talk about that in future broadcasts. Brian, thank you so much, sir. Hey, there you go. Let's all say our prayers. Let's bring God back into the family. Amen. Freedom's right. Or not freedom's right. I think it's right. Wow.

[00:54:26] Freewatercoinco.com is where you can get updates on constitutional currency and guidance from experts in the field. Freewatercoinco.com. Thanks, Brian. I'm Sam Bushman. LibertyRoundTable.com. LovingLiberty.net. God save our republic.