Radio Show Hour 2 – 02/11/2025

[00:00:13] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right, happy to have you along my fellow Americans, Sam Bushman and the good Sheriff Richard Mack on your radio. Hard-hitting news the network refused to use, no doubt continues now. This is the broadcast for February the 11th in the year of our Lord, 2025.

[00:00:39] Last hour we talked in detail about how President Trump and Elon Musk are doing their very best to right the ship. But man, Congress, 435 members of the House, primarily responsible for the funding of everything under the sun. They hold the purse strings, sitting idly by, as far as I can tell, virtually doing nothing. It's a disgrace, ladies and gentlemen. However, you know what? A couple of congressmen and senators are doing a few things. One of them is Nancy Mace.

[00:01:08] She's South Carolina rep Nancy Mace. She's accusing several men, including her, quote, former fiancé, of sex crimes against women and children during a lengthy speech on the floor. Mace says that she has evidence of the, quote, alleged crimes in the forms of images, videos, and metadata.

[00:01:35] And she says she'll burn the whole thing down to the ground if she has to. Many people want to sue her, and they're up in arms about this. But the problem is she says, hey, there's a law that says when I say things in Congress, I have protection. You can't sue me. And the debate rages. That's the start of the discussion. Sheriff, what do you think? Well, that's the first thing that came to my mind. But she doesn't need to worry about laws that say she can't be sued because she said something in Congress.

[00:02:02] First of all, this has very little to do with her duty as a congresswoman. So they could probably talk about that and still sue her, get an exception. But this is the thing that I first thought of. If these four men are guilty of any of this, they don't want to sue her because all she has to do is present her evidence.

[00:02:26] And they just hope that they should just downplay it, diminish it, and just say, hey, she doesn't know what she's talking about. But go ahead, get your lawyer, and get going on it. But the thing of it is she says she has evidence of it, and this drags them through the courts even more so.

[00:02:50] So, no, I don't – look, if she didn't have her ducks in a row, then every one of them still should sue her. If she just – if she's just given her opinion and, oh, these – yeah, I heard it through the grapevine that these men did this, and I'm just pissed off at my old boyfriend for attacking me or forcing himself on me, whatever her issue is there with her former boyfriend. But she named these guys, no question about it.

[00:03:18] I have the names right here in this article that I was perusing this morning, and it's pretty crazy. She says these men didn't just harm their victims. They recorded their depravity as it were a badge of honor. So she's saying that there's videos and pictures. When I uncovered evidence of rape, illegal filming of women, illegal photographing of women, and sex trafficking, I didn't just see victims.

[00:03:48] I saw a system which failed to protect them. She said naming Eric Bowman, Patrick Bryant, Brian Musgrave, and John Osborne of South Carolina. I don't know if all of them are South Carolina or just John Osborne is and why she named where one of them is from. I don't know, but she did. So Eric Bowman, Patrick Bryant, Brian Musgrave, and John Osborne. I don't know any of those people, so I don't know why it's a national issue.

[00:04:17] However, if this is what she's doing to help protect women, or is it just personal therapy for her to get this out there? She is a bold person, and she's been very bold in Congress, and she doesn't mind standing up to AOC and Maxine Waters and some of the other lunatic fringe of the Democrats.

[00:04:44] But if she doesn't know more, that she cannot do something like this and just say, well, I can do this because I'm a congresswoman, and you can't attack me for that because I have immunity from such. I say to hell with that. If you don't have evidence of this and you're just spouting off stuff that you don't have evidence of, you're an idiot.

[00:05:08] Well, there's no question, but she claims she has evidence in the forms of videos and images and all this stuff. And I'm glad. I'm glad she's bringing it up, especially if she does have the evidence. But believe me, she better have the evidence. Because if I was on the list, I would be suing the heck out of her.

[00:05:30] You know, if she does have the evidence, I'm just going to try to back away into some crowded, clouded area and try to go on with my life. But this is going to follow these men the rest of their lives. You know, to be announced in Congress that you're a sexual predator? Wow. Wow.

[00:05:58] It's a very bold, bold statement, and somebody needs to run this to ground. At the same time, though, you know, we know that there is serious sex trafficking, sex abuse. We know that this stuff happens. She claims that she is a victim of it as well, right? Yes. So that's interesting enough. She's not just saying it's other people. She's saying, hey, she's a victim too. Now, the question then becomes this.

[00:06:25] Will Pam Bondi release the Jeffrey Epstein list? She sure should. Well, so there you go. So when you talk about this Pizzagate of yesteryear where they said, oh, man, there's all kinds of sexual predators going on in D.C. and this and that, and they call it Pizzagate, right? Right. And this big old scandal, and then the Jeffrey Epstein dies, Ghislaine Maxwell's in whatever. I mean, she's probably in a nicer place to live than you are, Sheriff, in prison.

[00:06:53] But yet we're not going to release any of this stuff, or we're not going to really run it to ground and find out the ties. And, I mean, I agree with Nancy in that you've got to, you know, burn this thing to the ground. You've got to get to the bottom of all this kind of stuff in America. If you don't, if you're going to allow this kind of sexual abuse and trafficking, and I agree that what she says is alleged at this point. But my point is we know that Jeffrey Epstein was the real deal. I mean, he already went to prison for it. Then he was let out. Okay.

[00:07:20] All these people were tied to him, including Donald Trump and Bill Gates and everybody else and their dog. We need to run this to ground, and whether her allegations are true or not, there is a bigger issue than even her allegations, right? Yeah, there is. And the one that was her boyfriend was Patrick Bryant.

[00:07:40] And, you know, I sure hope she has her ducks in a row more than just saying, I get to do this without any repercussions because I'm a congresswoman. I don't think so. I would never agree with that. Oh, I agree. I'm just telling you what she's claiming, right? Yeah, exactly. And I would also say this. If she's doing this, she's going to bring ill repute on the idea that Congress should have protection to whistleblow because of the scandal.

[00:08:10] She will also bring – the Republicans will just be basically – it will de – what's the word I'm looking for? It will stymie the Republicans' efforts for Trump's whole administration if this isn't true. Yeah, I mean, the Democrats will use it against her, no question about it. And against the Republicans at large, though. They'll just be like, you guys are conspiracy clown show all the time. Of course.

[00:08:35] And it's just like when the governor of Virginia – was his name Northrop – said that it was fine to kill a baby that survives an abortion. Which means, first of all, it shows that they're doing very late, right before birth is due. They're still killing babies right before it's supposed to be born.

[00:09:05] And he's the one that said it. There was not one Democrat that came out and opposed him on that. Not one. And you would think that that would be huge issues regarding any credibility for any Democrat, that you support the murder of a born baby. And this is what we said was one of the problems with abortion all along.

[00:09:27] We knew that you Democrats were going to go here because of your derangement syndrome when it comes to supporting abortions. You said that it would not be done to late-term pregnancies. But you did. And not only that, you took it to the next level, which we have claimed you were going to do, that it's okay to kill a born baby. A baby.

[00:09:56] A precious little wife. And so, I mean, they totally – Northrop or whoever it was – totally got away with this. It's literally promoting murder of the most innocent among us. And the sad part is, I mean, we overturned Roe v. Wade, which is good on a national level. I support that. I don't think it belongs at the federal level in the first place. It's going to states. The problem is even states that have locked down abortion and said we don't want murder.

[00:10:26] You know, the issue is, hey, they're literally shipping murder medications with federal government approval across state lines, even into states that reject it, Sheriff. And are you talking about the morning-after pill? What are you talking about? Yeah, there's even more abortion pills than even morning-after now. I can't remember what they're called, but – Right. I call it murder medication because it literally basically forces an abortion in your bathroom floor or on your bathroom floor, you know? Right.

[00:10:55] Well, it – yeah. And again, the key issue here with Congressman Mace is what you said. It's extremely bold. Like nothing like this has ever happened. They said it's unprecedented, and everybody had their jaws dropped when she did this.

[00:11:19] First of all, I would like to ask her why did you do it there instead of just holding a press conference outside? Because maybe she – because she said, oh, well, because I have complete immunity. At a press conference, I don't. In Congress, I do. I don't buy that either way. If you don't have your ducks in a row and you don't have your evidence, you should not do this anywhere. So I hope she knows what she's doing.

[00:11:48] If these people really were predators or are predators, I say list them all. Read the Jeff Epstein list. Do that in Congress because now you're going to get somewhere. Okay? Read it and publish it and put it out there. Why does that not happen, Sam? Why? There's too many big people there. That's why.

[00:12:13] And why did Epstein commit suicide that really was a poorly disguised murder? That's why. Because there's a lot of people way up high that made that happen. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, there's a lot of states that are trying to say, hey, women that take these murder medications or abort their babies can be considered, you know, hey, that they've murdered. And they're working on legislation across some of the states to do that.

[00:12:43] But in my opinion, why is Trump allowing murder medications to be sent across state lines via the post office? Yeah, for sure. Okay. So, I mean, they say every package that's sent since the post office is underwater, that we're really, you know, subsidizing every package. So, we're literally paying for the shipping of murder medication into states that don't allow it. Yep.

[00:13:10] And then the next question is, hey, how do we defund Planned Parenthood? We're spending billions of dollars on murder, flat-out murder, funding Planned Parenthood. I mean, there's a big old scandal. Matt Staber, Liberty Council and others documented undercover that, hey, they were literally harvesting baby body parts, delivering babies alive to get the body parts, harvesting them. And then the government partnering to sell them. Yeah.

[00:13:38] It's pretty astonishing, the corruption behind Planned Parenthood. You know, how they started and that they were really aiming at minority babies. It was very racist. It was formed by a racist. But that's all okay to the Democrats now. As long as they're getting those abortions going, we don't care. You know, we don't care about the racism.

[00:14:04] But, Sam, this is also one key component of it, that they were and have been harvesting body parts, making money selling those body parts. And the other one is this, that they promote abortion. And so they get money from the United States Congress. Congress actually was their role.

[00:14:34] To fund things is their role. To fund a non-government organization that provides no government service whatsoever. In fact, just the opposite, the killing of the unborn. That's not a government purpose. Okay. And then they get over $500 million a year.

[00:14:53] And then they turn around and use that money for donations to the people that sent it to them in the first place so that they can continue to support politicians who support abortion and support them financially. It's one continuous round of corruption and of criminality. And every bit of that should be not just stopped but should be investigated criminally. And these crooks in Washington, D.C. have got to answer for their crimes someday.

[00:15:23] Or this sort of thing is just going to continue. Like funding Politico and New York Times. These politicians have the audacity to do that. And then they say, you can't see it. You're not supposed to have access to those records. You're not supposed to see our crimes. And this is another thing. Donald Trump has the right to see that.

[00:15:47] He has the right to appoint someone to volunteer to help him find all of that as if he were hiring a private detective if he wanted to. He can do all of that. And the American people have a right to see every bit of it, Congress. And you liars that come out and try to fight that. You're so incensed morally because of your own immorality. And your disgusting criminal corruption.

[00:16:15] We all have a right to see every bit of that. So they just keep going and playing the game. And it is so corrupt, Sam. And you and I look like we're very prophetic. No, because it's not rocket science. It's absolute bold in your face. Easy evidence to see that these people are utterly corrupt and evil.

[00:16:42] Well, I appreciate Senator Josh Hawley trying to do something about it. From Missouri, Senator Josh Hawley introduces Bill defunding Planned Parenthood. Introduced the, quote, End Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act. Or I guess Abortion Providers Act is what it's called. The bill would defund Planned Parenthood and other providers of abortion across the nation. Right?

[00:17:14] I mean, that's good news. Yeah, it is. I saw that. And I hadn't heard much about it. I haven't seen on the news anywhere where he's done that. Yeah, that's because you've got to go to Liberty Roundtable Live. And you've got to go to the news that matters. When you watch the mainstream press, they're not interested in that. Yeah. But I'm just telling you, I commend Senator Josh Hawley. The question becomes, where does your senator stand on this thing?

[00:17:42] Well, they're both Democrats, and I'm sure they stand for keeping abortion rolling and keeping Planned Parenthood funded. Because nobody in Washington, D.C., follows the Constitution. And nobody thinks they have to. And, you know, look at the Second Amendment. They don't care what the Second Amendment says. Yeah. Well, that's sad but true.

[00:18:12] But they call it the End Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Providers Act. You know, it's a long name. But I want to know where people stand on this thing. I mean, how come we don't get traction for this? Is there a companion bill in the House now? You know, really, really a good point. You know, what is going on?

[00:18:36] And, Sam, like I've said before, we detect about 12% to 15% of all crime. So 85% of all crime goes undetected or unreported. And so the problem of corruption in Washington, D.C. is eight times worse than we know. So we could probably easily say 10. At the least, I might add. Yeah. It's worse.

[00:19:02] And so all of the horrible stuff we know that's going on in Washington, D.C., and these horrible corrupt politicians, it's 10 times worse than we know. That is absolutely petrifying. That is scary, Sam. Man. Yeah. Here's the other problem, Sheriff.

[00:19:25] I just tried to call Josh Hawley's office because I wanted to ask if there was a companion bill in the Senate and ask what he recommends we do to help with this. The problem is I just get a voicemail. I called it yesterday. I called it today. They're like, we have too much call volume. We can't even answer your call. Well, I guess that's good news and bad news. Yes.

[00:19:45] Lots of people are trying to call in and support it because we really want to make this a national issue, and we want to join with other churches and other pro-life groups and any kind of other group. And this is one time I think that CSPOA should just come out and say CSPOA supports this.

[00:20:06] I think it's the proper role of government to protect life and to protect the integrity of taxpayer dollars and what they should really be going to. This one is a farce, Sam. And, Sam, if Congress takes it upon themselves to give out taxpayer dollars to certain groups and not to other groups, that's illegal.

[00:20:33] How could they fund Planned Parenthood and not the CSPOA or the National Sheriff's Association, which actually they do with under-the-table money and funds? So I don't know. I just – I'm not sure about this. I am sure about it actually. But why can't we sue?

[00:21:01] I've already called a claimant, Larry Klayman, and asked him if we could start a lawsuit for CSPOA in Washington, D.C. because we don't get funding, and they do. How about the 14th Amendment and equal protection of the law? They cannot fund one group that provides no government service and then say, oh, well, actually, the CSPOA provides a government service.

[00:21:27] They help law enforcement nationwide protect the civil rights of every American, every American of every race. We teach that, Sam. So why are we not funded? But Planned Parenthood is a half billion a year? No, Sam. Uh-uh. It's a disgrace. I don't know how to respond to it.

[00:21:52] Even National Public Radio, as you know, they get a bunch of money from your federal tax dollars too, right? They're on the dole. Here's their headline from 2017 about this. Hey, that vow to defund Planned Parenthood? Easy to say, hard to do, NPR. And they go into this big old to-do about how hard to get done it's going to be. Well, it's going to be a battle, Sam, but it really should be easy.

[00:22:20] Because you point out the illegal funding and the illegal exchange between members of Congress who actually funnel this money to Planned Parenthood in the first place. And so it's just a continual circle. The circle just keeps going and going and going. And what are they doing?

[00:22:46] We give taxpayer dollars to you, and you give it back to us in campaign funds, and we keep you going, and you keep us going. Could it be any more corrupt? Probably not. The sad part is whenever we say, can it be any more corrupt than we think it can't be, they take it to a new level, Sheriff. I mean, it's, you know, the ways to sin are diverse in many, and the ways to turn against God are plentiful. And it's sad to me that what we want to do is control climate change at the man-made level.

[00:23:13] Bill Gates trying to, you know, send aerosols into the skies and everything else into this big plan to, you know, decrease the sun's abuse for global warming. At the same time, we don't turn to God for any of these solutions or whatever. And we're murdering babies wholesale, and there's rape and pillage and plunder all over the country and illegal activity by everybody and their dog. And I just hate to say it, but I'm afraid that Donald Trump's hit the swamp. And, man, it's starting to suck him under.

[00:23:45] Well, that happened his first term, too, you know. But I just, I still really feel optimistic about a lot of it. I agree, because even if he doesn't get near done what we hope, and even if he can't completely change the direction of the country, he's doing a lot of good. You can take the line items one at a time. Hey, getting rid of USAID, great plan. So let's give him credit for where credit's due. Let's be optimistic and hopeful. Let's help him. Rather than criticize him, let's help him and see what we can get done in the first year.

[00:24:14] That's why we're bringing up these issues, because we believe that'll actually help President Trump if we the people demand the same things he's working on, right? Amen to that, yes. So by no means do I mean to be critical. I just mean to say, hey, we told you the swamp was deep and it was going to be hard. And Trump can't do it all by himself. It's going to take you and me. It's going to take every one of us. We can't sit on the sidelines any longer. You can join the CSPOA, though, and become part of the solution. CSPOA.org. Sheriff Mack, back in seconds, on your radio.

[00:24:50] Exposing corruption. Informing citizens. Pursuing liberty. Liberty. You're listening to Liberty News Radio. News this hour from townhall.com. I'm Rich Thomason. She is outraged. Republican Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, upon learning that FEMA had spent tens of millions of dollars on... Food and lodging for those that are illegally in the country,

[00:25:18] while at the same time we were fighting FEMA not to terminate temporary housing benefits, for people that lost it all in a flood. Blackburn speaking with the Salem Radio Network. Presidential Advisor Elon Musk reports his Doge team discovered $59 million had been spent on housing illegal aliens in New York City hotels. New York City Mayor Eric Adams may be off the hook.

[00:25:43] Acting Deputy Attorney General Emile Bove told prosecutors in New York that they were directed to dismiss the bribery charges against Adams immediately. Bove said the order was not based on the strength of evidence in the case, but rather because it had been brought too close to Adams' re-election campaign and was distracting from the mayor's efforts to assist the Trump administration's law and order priorities. Julie Walker, New York.

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[00:28:00] Why don't we say to the government, writ large, that they have to spend a little bit less? Anybody ever had less money this year than you had last? Anybody ever having a 1% pay cut? You deal with it. That's what government needs, a 1% pay cut. If you take a 1% pay cut across the board, you have more than enough money to actually pay for the disaster relief. But nobody's going to do that because they're fiscally irresponsible. Who are they? Republicans. Who are they? Democrats.

[00:28:29] Who are they? Virtually the whole body is careless and reckless with your money. So the money will not be offset by cuts anywhere. The money will be added to the debt, and there will be a day of reckoning. What's the day of reckoning? The day of reckoning may well be the collapse of the stock market. The day of reckoning may be the collapse of the dollar. When it comes, I can't tell you exactly, but I can tell you it has happened repeatedly in history when countries ruin their currency.

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[00:30:13] Casting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right, back with you live, ladies and gentlemen. Sam Bushman, Sheriff Mack, on your radio. There's so much to talk about, so little time. Really, we need to shut down Planned Parenthood NPR on the government dole.

[00:30:38] Literally says back in 2017, Planned Parenthood defunding, easy to say, hard to get done. Well, they want you to believe it's hard to get done. Here's the next question for you, Sheriff. This is Blaze TV with this piece. Next question, why did Christianity Today receive over $1 million from USAID? Everybody got money except for us, Sheriff.

[00:31:08] I shouldn't say that. Almost. Well, wait, wait, wait. Some Christian churches got a million dollars? No, no, no. There's a website called Christianity Today. Okay. And they're like a big, you know, I don't know, it's like BuzzFeed or anything else. You know, BuzzFeed's for all the, you know, whatever, young women or whatever. And Christianity Today is like a place where all Christians, you know, go to get updates on things and all this kind of stuff. But they got over a million dollars from USAID.

[00:31:42] A million. Yeah. Well, that's chicken feed compared to what everybody else was getting. Well, I agree 100%. But the point, again, is that every piece, you know, it's a million dollars here, a million dollars there, right? Right. No, I don't. Don't get me wrong. I don't support that at all. I didn't hear that. But because it's such a small amount, I'm going, oh, okay. Well. Yeah. And some are saying that Charlie Kirk and all kinds of people got money.

[00:32:12] Yeah. And Charlie Kirk should be the first one coming out and saying, no, I did not. And I would never accept taxpayer dollars for my personal organization. Well, and so now that's the debate. That's the debate. So they say Hillary or Chelsea Clinton got 84. I can't remember if it was a million or billion. I have to go look. Anyway. And Chelsea basically fires back and said, no, I didn't. Nobody believes Doge anymore. Because here's the deal.

[00:32:39] If you give it to her group, but her parents group, but not her, but she runs the group. Did you give it to her? She says, no, I didn't take a penny of it. Now we're playing games with words, Sheriff. Yeah. And who else was saying stuff like that? Oh, Senator Sanders, Saunders, the crazy guy, the crazy liberal leftist socialist.

[00:33:06] Totally believes in socialism and admits it. He got 1.5 million. And he said, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That did not come from the pharmaceuticals. That came from pharmaceutical people. So that just came from people in the country that totally supported that issue. Wow. Okay. Yeah. So pharmaceutical employees sent you money directly. Okay. So it didn't come from the pharmaceutical company.

[00:33:36] He was listed as number one, 1.5 million. He got more than anybody else. But Sam, what we saw on that too was something I've told you about and that you and I've talked about many times. Big pharma donates to both Democrats and Republicans and in the same race lots of times. They're just buying off anybody who wins. They're guaranteeing, they're hedging their bets.

[00:34:02] They're guaranteeing that they win either way, that whoever wins owes them something. And so big pharma has been doing that for decades. And so what happens, Sam? The corruption of Washington, D.C. marches on, onward and upward. Well, and the debate rate is on about who takes money, right? Right.

[00:34:31] They say that Chelsea Clinton took 84 million, but now they're fact-checking that and saying, well, she didn't really. You see, she didn't get a penny of it herself. Well, their organization, the Bill and Hillary Foundation or whatever. The Clinton Foundation, yes. Yeah. So what they're doing is they're not even denying that they all got this money. They're just basically saying, well, I didn't take it personally. Right?

[00:35:02] And that means so you got no pay out of that whatsoever and the Clinton Foundation doesn't pay her $900,000 a year? No, that's different. The fact that I get money for my service, Sheriff, doesn't have anything to do with the fact that I didn't take a penny of that money personally. Yeah. See, that's what I mean by these people are literally clowns in terms of what they're saying.

[00:35:28] And so somebody, in my mind, needs to now double down and clarify this because you got fact-checkers all over MSN and everybody else going, oh, Hillary didn't take or Chelsea didn't take the money. But what you got to understand is Doge is looking at checks that are written to these different groups and stuff and money goes to these organizations. And even though she can say, well, I didn't take a penny personally, now we're playing games. Let me give you an example. Let's start. I wake up tomorrow and you give me a thousand bucks. I put it in my bank account and then I go spend a thousand bucks on who knows what, some

[00:35:57] criminal activity, some wrongful. And then I say, no, I didn't spend Richard's money on that. I spent, I mean, I had other money in my account and I spent the other thousand. See what I mean? Right. It wasn't your thousand, Sheriff. I didn't spend a penny of your money on any of that. And so that's kind of what's going on here with a lot of these organizations. I mean, Christianity Today getting a million dollars. I don't know why these people would even agree to go after this money in the first place.

[00:36:26] But what will the media landscape look like if we defund it all is the first question. And number two, do you think Trump can defund it? Yeah, I think he can. I think they should. And obviously this is exposing so, so much cultural corruption that they can't, they can't see anything wrong with it. Well, yeah, I got money. Well, no, my organization got money, but I didn't get it.

[00:36:55] So that's like saying somebody donated to CSPOA and I didn't get it. You know, it goes into an account that is a DBA for me, my business, CSPOA. And it is a separate account. There is. It sure is. I have a bank account that's in the name of CSPOA.

[00:37:21] And who, who's the person that, who is the person besides you and me, but mostly me that decides what happens to that money? Well, that's the point. And, and Chelsea and Bill and Hillary and all those guys do, and they got a ton of money, but what they're trying to do is play games with fact checks, uh, to try to, you know, whittle out of that or whatever you want to call it. All right. I've got some good news.

[00:37:45] President Trump vows to cut business tax rate to 15%, uh, down from 21% for companies that make products in the United States. What do you say to that, Sheriff? Wonderful. Yeah, that's great. I think all of them should be lower, but yeah, for especially what's the rule, you know, America first, they're doing American businesses, but you know, that, that brings it back to some,

[00:38:13] one other point with that, Sam. How does government create jobs? They don't create any jobs. They don't create jobs. That's correct. And all these politicians, Oh, we're going to create all these jobs. Look at all these jobs we created. The only way that they can't, that they can help do that is to lessen the tax burden, you know? And so, uh, I always bring up my son-in-law who owns an international company or works for one. He might own it.

[00:38:41] I think he's going to buy them out and he's going to own it. But the issue was, uh, he had to pay 600,000 in taxes. He wanted to start a new, uh, warehouse and would have hired 25 people to manage. But no, he wasn't able to because, uh, the taxes that he owed to the federal government.

[00:39:06] We want businesses to be able to expand, to create jobs. They're the ones entrepreneurs create jobs. And when government gets in the way, it actually stops it. The best way for government to create jobs is get the heck out of the way. Well, think about it this way. I own a media company, Sheriff.

[00:39:28] And I have to fund all these other clowns from Christianity today to NPR to whoever knows who, New York Times, WAPO, all these other clowns. I have to fund them with my tax dollars in addition to trying to compete with them on my own dime. Right. That's an amazing point. That is absolutely spot on. That's absolutely. I also had to educate my kids at home and in the private sector.

[00:39:57] And I had to pay the government schools to educate or to keep my kids out too. I had to pay and educate my kids on top of it all. No wonder I'm so broke, huh? Anyway, but here's the catch and the cool thing I told you about Trump. Trump announced he would cut the corporate tax rate from 21% to 15%. By the way, just so everybody knows, that's a congressional responsibility, not a presidential responsibility. Go look at your constitution. Anyway, I support the idea.

[00:40:26] I don't support the way it's going down. But then they say this, solely for companies that make their product in America. Sheriff, it's almost impossible to make your product in America today. Well, but you know some places it does happen. It does happen. Yes, and we need to encourage it for sure. But what we've got to do is change the rules to where it's possible. For example, let's say that I need a new employee tomorrow.

[00:40:56] Do I want to hire an American employee? Or do I want to hire an offshore Filipino employee, Sheriff? You want to hire the Filipino. Yes, I do. And the reason I do is because I don't have a bunch of taxes and overhead to pay. I can pay them probably anywhere from five to ten bucks an hour. And they can do a great job. They speak English. Many of them have degrees. They're very incredible. If I hire somebody in America, I've got, you know, FICA and all this other Social Security tax. I've got to pay a payroll company.

[00:41:24] I've got to make sure to file my W-2s for all of them on time. I've got all this regulation. If I ever have a problem with that employee, I can't just let them go because then I'll be forced to deal with unemployment. Oh, I've got to pay unemployment taxes, unemployment insurance. I've got to – I mean, it's just we've got to change the game to where we can compete, and we can't right now. I think I can hire a Filipino to do a job for about one-tenth of the cost that it takes me to hire an American employee.

[00:41:55] Well, sad but true. So there you have it. By the way, I pray for Trump, and I hope we can do that. Go ahead. That's supposed to be why the tariffs make it equal for businesses in America. I agree, but you can't just throw tariffs on top of taxes and regulation. You've got to decrease the taxes and regulation in relation to the tariffs that you're adding. Exactly. And I don't hear anybody really bringing that up hardly except for us, right?

[00:42:26] Yeah. Is anybody really bringing that up? Is that a big talking heads topic? All I hear is the Democrats going, oh, Trump can't do that. He's evil. He's horrible. He's crazy. And then I hear the Republicans going, yeah, yeah, this is great, and then they do nothing. But Congress should be like, hey, President Trump's going to add these tariffs. We're going to back him with a bill, supporting him. And we're also going to, in our bill, or a separate bill, we're going to decrease taxes on the American people. I mean, we're already implementing tariffs, but we're talking about reducing taxes.

[00:42:53] Why don't we reduce taxes before we crank up the tariffs even? Or do both at the same time? Anyway, here's the problem. It's almost impossible to create product in America, though, if you have actually a product-based business. If it's services, it's a lot easier. Sure. And the reason why is, I mean, I was actually hired by a company, Sheriff, as the resident consultant in charge of special projects. And I was basically there, and I tried to bring manufacturing back to the United States. And I found two problems.

[00:43:23] One, getting the equipment was very difficult. And number two, even if you got the equipment, and even if you hired the workers, and even if you could find a way to make it cost-effective, you couldn't get the raw materials that you need. The supply chain is all directed to Asia. And so you couldn't even get the raw materials to make the product that we wanted to make in America.

[00:43:44] So I had to come back with a report that said it's not possible unless government regulation changes favoring, outsourced against the American people. And until you can get the supply chain to where you can actually get the raw materials in your hemisphere, you know, a small company, and when I say small, I'm not even talking 50 million, 100 million. Those are tiny companies. Can't even get it done even if they want to. They can't get the raw materials, Sheriff.

[00:44:12] Well, I'm not surprised by that. And I still think, unless some of this thing really goes through, I still think we're headed for an economic collapse. I don't think anything has changed that. Even if they stop the spending, how are they going to get rid of the $36 trillion debt? How are they going to attack that and diminish that?

[00:44:42] Well, Sheriff, the answer is it was created out of thin air so it can be abolished out of thin air. And the way you abolish it, like Bo Greit said back in the day in the early 90s, all you got to do is create a single coin. Create a what? A single coin. Just create a coin that's worth $36 trillion and just hand it to the folks over at the Fed and say we're done. If they can make money out of thin air, why can't we? If they can create it out of thin air, can't we pay it off out of thin air? Yeah, make a gold coin.

[00:45:13] It doesn't need to be gold. Make it zinc and copper like a penny. Right, yeah. It could be anything. Right. And just have it say $37 trillion on there. Make it $40 just to give them, you know, we'll even give you a, we want our way out bonus. We'll give you $40 trillion. And it's a single coin and we're just going to basically, you know, pay it. And there you go. I mean, it could be done, Sheriff, but nobody's willing to take on any of these real issues. Everything we're doing is around the edge, the fringe.

[00:45:43] Hey, let's make Canada the 51st state. Hey, by the way, did you realize that Doge is spending money with NPR? We've known that forever. But I don't really see significant change. Everything that Trump is doing in the last six weeks, five weeks, whatever you want to say, can be reversed by the next president in about five seconds. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because there's no congressional legislative acts behind it. It's all just executive. You know, he said, she said stuff. And I'm not doubting that. I appreciate the start.

[00:46:13] But Congress has got to fill in that gap. And we've got to move about it. So, for example, talking about this decrease in taxation, quit talking about it. Get a bill. We're going to reduce 21% income tax for corporations to 15%. Do it for all companies. Don't just do it for the ones that can make product in the United States. Do it for everybody. And then say, if you, you know, make products in the United States, we'll create other guidelines to support you.

[00:46:41] But in the meantime, hey, why can't Congress just pass that today, Sheriff? I mean, everything is so bogged down, so impossible. They're getting nothing done. Yeah. And then Josh Hawley comes out with getting rid of the funding or to defund. He wants to defund Planned Parenthood. Great. And it's getting no coverage. Almost nothing.

[00:47:10] I didn't hear about it until you told me about it. Well, and I didn't hear about it until I started to research it because we wanted to work on a defund Planned Parenthood project of our own. And I wanted to say, okay, well, who's doing something out there? Let's see who we can partner with. And I'm building a whole spreadsheet of partners in this quest. But again, and then I try to call Senator Josh Hawley's office to say, hey, can you have somebody come on and talk about this? Is there a partner or a companion bill in the House? I can't even get any information, Sheriff.

[00:47:38] We're so bogged down, shut down, I can't even find out. I mean, it's just beyond imagination. Now, I don't know if you know, but Al Green, Representative Al Green, is announcing articles of impeachment against President Trump. That's the movement to impeach President Trump has now begun, Sheriff. Oh, yay. Like a big surprise there, Sam. Yeah. Well, here's my question.

[00:48:07] Here's my question. Why on earth didn't we impeach Joe when we could? They've impeached Donald already twice. They're working on a third time. The third time's the charm. I don't know what. It's amazing. When it's us not in power, we don't have any mojo. When we're in power, we don't have any mojo. When they're out of power or in power, our enemies seem to have mojo at every turn. Yeah.

[00:48:29] Well, my first thought there, when they said they wanted to impeach Obama, when they said they wanted to impeach Biden, I said, the votes aren't there, so why are we wasting our time? That's the first thing I thought on this one. The votes are not there. Why are they wasting their time? Well, first of all, the state reprieves.

[00:48:51] Because everything they can do to go against Donald Trump and generate news in the news cycle, for those all on the dole, the more they can eclipse things like the Planned Parenthood defunding discussion. That's why. Right. Exactly. Other than that, you're correct. There's no value. Well, why did they impeach him when he was already out of office? The reason they did was because they wanted that to be part of his legacy, that he was the only president in history to impeach twice.

[00:49:20] That's what they wanted. And get in his way. Poke the bear as much as they can. Keep poking. Keep poking. Keep poking. Keep poking. And I said this during the campaign and even after he got elected. They're going to go after him even more than they have before. But they're not going to stop going after him. Why do we know that?

[00:49:46] Just study the history of Trump running for president and what happened to him while he was president. They're not going to stop. And so that's why we have been very concerned about his safety. Because they're not going to stop him. I pray they will. I don't have a lot of confidence. Well, the last story of the hour I want to bring up to you, Sheriff. The country El Salvador. I don't know how you say this guy's name.

[00:50:17] Ukele? Is the president down there, I guess? Ukele. Ukele. All right. Anyway, El Salvador's president, Ukele, offers to hold American criminals in mega prisons. He says he'll help. Trump is glad to help. So I'm thinking if you're the – if we could put you in as the ambassador to El Salvador, what better way than to put a sheriff in charge of that? And then we're working on the prisoners. You could work with Tom Holman.

[00:50:47] You could work with Cash Patel. You could work with all kinds of people. And you could go ahead and rep that. How do we get that to Trump? El Salvador's ready to cooperate. And you're the best delegate right now. And I'm still – I've heard that before. And I asked the question then, and I'll ask it now on your show right now. Is it illegal to send American prisoners to a foreign country to serve their time? Hold on. Before we get to that, is it illegal to send illegals?

[00:51:16] Yeah, well, first of all, they're illegals. So we already send many illegals and many American prisoners to Guantanamo Bay. Right. Which is in Cuba. And I guess that we're supposed to own some of that or whatever. I don't know. I don't care. The point is this.

[00:51:32] Can we send American prisoners and – just so you know, Sam, every constitutional right that is in the Constitution is afforded to anyone committing a crime. And if they're within the jurisdictional boundaries, geographical boundaries of the United States, they have all constitutional rights.

[00:51:59] You don't get to pick and choose which type of crime has no constitutional rights. We heard from a sheriff in Iowa saying, well, I know, I know, I know these people don't have any constitutional rights. They're here illegally. They don't have the constitutional – yes, they do. I believe they have God-given rights. There's no such thing as constitutional rights. All the Constitution does is codify God-given rights. Yeah, exactly. But the Constitution applies.

[00:52:28] And so is it illegal for us to send them to El Salvador? And I don't think so. I don't see anywhere – I don't think so either. I don't think so. Well, and especially when we talk about illegal aliens as well. Hey, they need to go back to their own country. If their own country betrays them, then we have every right to send them where we need to. And I support El Salvador's offer. Yeah, so if we want to send the Tren de Aragua gang members to El Salvador, go ahead.

[00:52:58] Go ahead. That's great. Thank you, Presidente Bukele. He's young, he's nice looking, and he is a fireball. And I absolutely would love to work with him. And he's right. I haven't heard anything about getting the ambassador thing, and I don't think people that I've asked to help me have really helped me except one sheriff in Florida. He has.

[00:53:22] Maybe I need to text Tom Holman and say, hey, put a word for me about getting that. Because I really do. You can start out by talking about – just tell Tom Holman, El Salvador. How do you say this guy's name? Bukele. Bukele. B-U-K-E-L-E. Bukele. All right. Bukele. Hey, he's offering to hold the criminals and stuff, and we need an ambassador there immediately. Yeah.

[00:53:50] So what you've got to do is just like the old country song, Why Not Me? Right? Right. That's right. Why not Sheriff Mack? Why not Sheriff Mack? That's right. Anyway, I suggest you email Tom Holman. I think we should work on helping the incredible deportation effort taking place. We've got to escalate it. That's for sure. We'll do all we can to support that effort. In the meantime, we've got to defund Planned Parenthood big time.

[00:54:19] That's one of our big, big, big initiatives as well. We've got a lot going on at the CSPOA. We need your financial support and your help. CSPOA.org. Become a member of the Posse today. Sheriff, thank you so much, sir. You're welcome, Pat. See you next time. As always, Sheriff Mack on your radio, hard-hitting news the network refused to use. Thanks for being alongside for the ride. We're syndicated by the Loving Liberty Radio Network. LovingLiberty.net. God save the republic.