Radio Show Hour 2 – 09/26/2024

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[00:00:29] Hard hitting news that I refuse to use no doubt continues now.

[00:00:32] This is the broadcast for September the 26th in the Year of Our Lord 2024.

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[00:00:53] What are the peaceful solutions we still have at our fingertips?

[00:00:56] Let's get involved ladies and gentlemen.

[00:00:57] No more of this sitting on the sideline of the culture war huh?

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[00:01:04] Welcome to the broadcast.

[00:01:05] We reject revolution unless it's a Jesus revolution.

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[00:01:11] Alright last hour we had a conversation with a couple of interesting people.

[00:01:14] Pete Sep of the National Taxpayers Union, NTU.org doing a phenomenal job.

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[00:01:35] We talked about this clown show going on in Congress.

[00:01:40] Okay, shame.

[00:01:42] Congress now approves the short term spending bill to avert a government shutdown.

[00:01:47] A quick succession.

[00:01:48] The House and the Senate all passed it.

[00:01:50] A few Republicans about 80 in the House went against it.

[00:01:53] The only alternative to the continuing resolution at this stage would have been a government shutdown.

[00:02:00] Says Tim Johnson or Jim Johnson.

[00:02:04] But you know what? I got a problem with that whole idea.

[00:02:08] Because if we had a government shutdown he says it would be quote political malpractice to shut the government down.

[00:02:14] Johnson said, I don't buy that at all.

[00:02:17] Okay, so here's my comment.

[00:02:20] Hey Mike Johnson, isn't it political malpractice to continue to fund unconstitutional government

[00:02:28] over and over again with no end in sight?

[00:02:31] Isn't that political malpractice, sir?

[00:02:35] And so it's kind of fascinating to me.

[00:02:36] I don't want to just put all the blame on Johnson.

[00:02:38] I get that he's been handed a, you know, a bad deal.

[00:02:43] But so has all the other people before him.

[00:02:45] For the last 47 years, 44 out of those 47 years have had continuing resolutions,

[00:02:50] kicking the can further and further down the road.

[00:02:54] And many of those 44 out of 47 years have had multiple CR resolutions.

[00:02:59] And it would be bad enough if this all happened, but Mike Johnson's already surrendered in December.

[00:03:04] He said, yeah, in December we're going to have to do it again.

[00:03:07] I won't look for a big ol' on the spending bill.

[00:03:09] I won't do it.

[00:03:09] So we're going to have to just kick it till the next session of Congress.

[00:03:15] Ladies and gentlemen, constitutionally speaking, the House holds the purse strings.

[00:03:20] They have the obligation to deal with the budget and to take action now.

[00:03:23] And Mike Johnson happens to be the Speaker of the House.

[00:03:26] And so I've got all kinds of solutions that I want to talk to our next guest about for this,

[00:03:30] but I don't see Trump with any solutions on the table.

[00:03:33] I don't see Mike Johnson with any solutions on the table.

[00:03:35] The only one I see with a real solution on the table is Rand Paul, our guest Jim Fath with us.

[00:03:41] Ladies and gentlemen, he is president of the conservative caucus, theconservativecaucas.org.

[00:03:48] Welcome to Liberty Roundtable Live, sir.

[00:03:50] Thanks for having me, Sam. Glad to be with you.

[00:03:54] Jim, am I being too hard on him?

[00:03:57] No. Listen, I've lived this.

[00:04:00] By the way, you are right about the 44 out of 47 years, but there's actually a really important difference that's taken place in about the last 20 plus years.

[00:04:10] And that is that continuing resolutions in the past, there were a couple, maybe two or three during the Reagan administration, for example.

[00:04:18] And those continuing resolutions were actually just multi-day CRs until they could get final passage.

[00:04:28] And then they actually passed all 12 appropriations bills.

[00:04:32] In other words, let me say it differently so people understand.

[00:04:34] They were truly just a continuing resolution so that they could get together and get it finalized.

[00:04:39] In this case, they're living on them now.

[00:04:41] No, that's right. So that's what I'm getting to.

[00:04:43] So in the past, see, the Budget Control Act of 1974 was passed requiring Congress to pass all 12 appropriations bills.

[00:04:52] It's actually illegal what they're doing.

[00:04:54] Of course, they're the one that made the rule and they're the one that's breaking it.

[00:04:57] But in the past, it was just about, hey, we got differences to figure out and there are a few agencies.

[00:05:02] So let's do a continuing resolution until we get passage of those remaining bills.

[00:05:06] That's what they used to do.

[00:05:07] In the late 90s, early 2000s, they figured out, hey, you know, this is a lot easier for us to do and now they just blow it off every single time.

[00:05:18] And what the reason for continuing resolutions these days is to make sure that the particular lobbying interests,

[00:05:25] both of Republicans and Democrats, are satisfied and make it impossible for members of Congress

[00:05:32] to provide any amendments on the floor to stop the crap.

[00:05:38] And that's where we're at right now.

[00:05:39] John Boehner perfected this.

[00:05:41] I first went on Capitol Hill to work as a Chief of Staff when John Boehner was still Speaker after the Tea Party Revolution in 2010.

[00:05:49] They play this game every time, you know, and we got to be careful because, you know, we want to win the election next time.

[00:05:55] So, you know, we want to pretend like we're governing.

[00:05:57] These people are not governing.

[00:05:59] They're spending.

[00:06:00] They're expanding government and this particular one is horrible because Republicans are refusing to back off of Pelosi spending levels,

[00:06:09] COVID spending levels even.

[00:06:10] We had about $4.5 trillion total spending in 2019.

[00:06:16] Now we're just right around $7 trillion and it's an outrage.

[00:06:20] They're stealing our money and they're taking away our freedoms.

[00:06:24] So let me ask you if I was Speaker of the House and I just simply wrote up a simple bill.

[00:06:28] And here's what it said, Jim in a nutshell.

[00:06:31] It said we will take every line item in the budget one at a time and we will determine if it's constitutional or not.

[00:06:39] This is the perfect audit.

[00:06:41] We will determine if it's constitutional or not.

[00:06:43] If it's constitutional, it's going to pass and we're going to put the line item on how it's justified in its constitutionality.

[00:06:50] If it's not constitutional, it's going to be gone.

[00:06:52] We're not even going to talk about it or fund it or deal with it unless it's a crash-the-plane scenario,

[00:06:58] meaning we've kept promises we need to keep or whatever.

[00:07:00] Then we're going to create a sunset around it, show why it's not constitutional but yet how we're going to wind it down.

[00:07:07] So you've got the yes constitutional, no, but we're going to wind it down.

[00:07:11] No, we're not going to fund it and then we're not really sure we need to debate it, line items.

[00:07:16] And if you were to basically put this plan together, Pete Sapp and many people at the National Tax Pays Union

[00:07:21] and other places have done 90% of this work already.

[00:07:24] And you simply then get your 218 Republicans to stand together.

[00:07:29] And even if you lose a few Republicans, you can get a few Democrats that are physically responsible.

[00:07:33] And you say look we've passed all the things that are constitutional.

[00:07:35] We're not funding the things that aren't.

[00:07:37] And these other two buckets are on the table for discussion to figure out how we're going to sunset it if needs be

[00:07:42] or we're going to figure out if it's constitutional.

[00:07:45] We'll get the people to determine that.

[00:07:48] And so you know what? We're not going to go home.

[00:07:49] We're not going to go to recess.

[00:07:51] We're not going to give up on it now.

[00:07:54] He already said for Christmas he's going to pass another continuing resolution CR in Christmas.

[00:08:00] He's already said that.

[00:08:01] So he's already surrendered.

[00:08:02] But what have you put together a plan like mine and said look here's the facts

[00:08:05] and you had enough congressmen to say forget the Senate, forget the president.

[00:08:10] We hold the purse strings in the house.

[00:08:12] Go read your constitution people and we're not doing it.

[00:08:14] We're not going to go down that road anymore.

[00:08:16] We're going to put a plan in place.

[00:08:17] It's our obligation to do so.

[00:08:19] And it's criminal not to.

[00:08:21] So that's why we're doing it.

[00:08:23] Please elect us because we're not going home for recess till we get this done.

[00:08:26] What do you think Jim?

[00:08:28] Well, that's exactly what should happen.

[00:08:31] But let me a little dirty secret here.

[00:08:34] We've we already had that but it never worked because these people don't hold themselves accountable.

[00:08:39] That's why we got to get out to the polls.

[00:08:42] So this there was a requirement in the rules package that Republicans passed when they took the house back in 2010 that they were going to put a constitutional statement on every bill and they did.

[00:08:54] There were constitutional statements.

[00:08:55] They were some of them were kind of stupid.

[00:08:57] Some of them were accurate and that requirement was there but they never looked at that as a restraint.

[00:09:03] They never made it a restraint when that was breaking down and I was right in the middle of this.

[00:09:08] What became the House Freedom Caucus is that group of people or was designed to be that group of people you're talking about.

[00:09:15] Now when before the House Freedom Caucus was put together I was working for Congressman Tim Huell's camp former Congressman Tim Huell's camp of Kansas as his chief of staff.

[00:09:24] These guys were meeting privately to try to talk about how can we make these approaches when they would have these meetings privately that no one knew about I was the guy that put all the meetings together.

[00:09:35] I was the only staffer in the room.

[00:09:36] I was right there when these discussions were happening.

[00:09:40] That's what birthed the House Freedom Caucus and as you can see it's been very difficult to do.

[00:09:45] Why?

[00:09:45] Because leadership in the Republican Party has continually attempted to destroy the House Freedom Caucus and what its original intent was and it's been a real challenge.

[00:09:57] So in essence Sam what I'm trying to describe is what you are saying is absolutely right.

[00:10:02] This needs to happen and Republicans and Democrats but particularly Republican leadership I put the most blame on Paul Ryan, John Boehner and now frankly Mike Johnson is giving into it sadly because he seemed to be a very good guy before this.

[00:10:19] He's totally gone off the rails.

[00:10:20] And Kevin too right?

[00:10:22] Kevin McCarthy they have fought against this at every turn.

[00:10:26] What they've tried to do and what Kevin McCarthy tried to do the reason some people were positive about him is he was trying to stop it on the edges.

[00:10:34] That's all that he was even willing to try to do.

[00:10:36] They aren't willing to break away from this because they don't want to leave their opportunity to get money from lobbyists and to maintain their positions in office.

[00:10:47] It's a shame.

[00:10:48] That's criminal ladies and gentlemen we're going to talk about that in a second with Jim Fath on your radio.

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[00:15:08] When I was working on Capitol Hill for the nearly nine years that I did it with two congressmen as their chief of staff,

[00:15:15] Tim Hewitt's camp and Thomas Massey.

[00:15:17] I got to the place where I said and I've worked in politics for 30 years.

[00:15:21] I got to the place where I'm saying listen there are many professing Christians who are members of Congress.

[00:15:30] And when I was working on Capitol Hill I either knew pretty well or was acquainted with about every one of them.

[00:15:36] And what I've been saying is their voting habits are the voting habits of Satan.

[00:15:42] And why do I say that? That seems harsh.

[00:15:44] There's a reason I use that terminology because of the fact that if you profess faith in Christ, belief in God,

[00:15:53] and a belief in the scripture of the Old and New Testament,

[00:15:58] then you should have a sincere belief that God's commandments are real, that law matters.

[00:16:08] And if you're not following the Constitution, you are in a political sense an antinomian.

[00:16:15] An antinomianism is the concept of being against law.

[00:16:18] It's a theological term that talks about a movement that tries to say we don't...

[00:16:22] Yeah it means you're morally on the wrong side of the law just so people understand.

[00:16:25] You are and it's a theological term about not paying attention to the Old Testament.

[00:16:30] We're just New Testament now. That's bull. That's a heresy in Christian terms.

[00:16:36] It's also a political heresy because we've got the Constitution there.

[00:16:40] And you were talking earlier just for the break about a report of constitutional alignment with the various spending bills that I think NTU said did.

[00:16:49] That's an important thing. 60 to 80% of what we spend in the federal government is unconstitutional.

[00:16:56] Without a doubt, I don't know the precise number, but it's somewhere in that area and we've got to stop this.

[00:17:03] If we would just operate under constitutional limitations, particularly in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution,

[00:17:10] we would have the biggest economic boom that anyone can imagine right now because government would be out of the way.

[00:17:17] That's our big problem is government is thwarting us at every turn from doing what Americans can do to be successful and prosperous.

[00:17:27] Right now, I'm convinced it's criminal activity and I think that's what we're dealing with and I think we're afraid in America to call criminal activity criminal activity.

[00:17:36] You want to say, well it's not really good but you know it doesn't rise to the level of this or that or whatever.

[00:17:41] But even this idea that we're on fiat money in the first place is criminal.

[00:17:45] Congress never had the authority to replace constitutional, gold and silver currency at all.

[00:17:50] And every Congress that goes along with it without speaking up boldly, nobly and independently to try to resolve that is part of the problem.

[00:17:56] And it will not get better unless you get rid of the Federal Reserve and go back to honest money.

[00:18:01] Because if you've only got one source for money, period, it's got interest, then you can never get out of debt.

[00:18:06] You borrow one dollar, it's got a dollar five on it, just five cents represents interest, forget the real number because it changes.

[00:18:13] But you owe a dollar five but the only place you can get a dollar is from the same place because they've got a monopoly on money.

[00:18:18] Then my question is can you ever get out of debt? The answer is no because where are you going to get the five cents without borrowing more money?

[00:18:23] It's a fallacy, it's a lie straight from the pit of hell and it's got to stop.

[00:18:27] Until we get that stopped though, we're just kind of playing around the edges, Jim.

[00:18:32] You know Richard Nixon signed executive order 6102 in August of 1971 that took us out of the Bretton Woods Agreement,

[00:18:41] which meant that any country could get any reserve currency put out in gold.

[00:18:52] That's essentially the gold standard and it has been a theft against American people ever since.

[00:18:58] And by the way that was a temporary order that no president has rescinded ever since and we should.

[00:19:04] The Federal Reserve System.

[00:19:05] Yeah where's Donald when you need him on Jim?

[00:19:07] Yeah exactly.

[00:19:08] The Federal Reserve System steals from the American people all the time through inflation

[00:19:14] because they steal through inflation because they print the money to give the government,

[00:19:20] and this is why Nixon did it to begin with, to give the government the flexibility to spend money.

[00:19:24] We're in the Vietnam War, they needed more money for war and war is one of the main reasons why countries get away from sound currencies.

[00:19:33] I mean Great Britain did this in World War I, it was a major mistake because they need money to be able to fund these things.

[00:19:40] There's a lot of other reasons too but inflation is a tax on us.

[00:19:45] It is a theft of our wealth on top of the taxes that they actually take away from us.

[00:19:51] So this game can only be fixed if there's restraint in the government.

[00:19:55] Now is it criminal like you say?

[00:19:56] Yeah I believe it is, but here's the problem.

[00:19:59] Our judicial system makes it very difficult for anyone to get standing to challenge the federal government on what they do.

[00:20:07] We saw this with the election situation in 2020.

[00:20:11] Donald Trump clearly had standing to at least challenge all the election procedures that were taking place, whatever the outcome would have been.

[00:20:18] But all these courts turned him away because all you don't have standing.

[00:20:22] That's bull crap, he has total standing.

[00:20:24] This is the problem we have, it's an unjust society with a federal government largely and by the way state governments too

[00:20:31] that are stealing from us to do the things that they want to do to meet the needs of political power not the needs of the people.

[00:20:41] Alright ladies and gentlemen, the other thing that I think is fraud is we've got Kamala who did not have any primary at all.

[00:20:49] She just got literally installed to supposedly run against Trump.

[00:20:54] And you say oh well Sam you know what Joe Biden doesn't have the health he had to step down.

[00:20:59] You know what life is life, the primaries were over at the time and okay but I'm not buying it.

[00:21:04] Because Joe Biden just went on TV and calls Trump a loser on the view.

[00:21:12] He says who lacks redeeming value and Biden says quote I would have beaten loser Trump no problem.

[00:21:19] So here's the problem, here's the dilemma.

[00:21:21] On one hand if Joe says he could beat Trump and he's fine to run the country and Kamala has it been asked this

[00:21:29] and she said oh he's fine he's a great dude he's great to run the country.

[00:21:32] Then there's no reason that he should be able to step down like that after the primary.

[00:21:37] He's got to be the running guy and if he wants to after he runs and wins step down so the vice president can take over fine.

[00:21:46] But what you can't have is this conundrum where you skip this whole primary so people didn't even vote for Kamala in other words.

[00:21:54] And you've done it even though supposedly the president's fine Kamala says he's fine, Joe says he's fine, says he beat Donald.

[00:22:01] You can't have it both ways either he's not fine and we have to live with the process and adjust to it per the constitution.

[00:22:07] Or at some point it's vote fraud, it's election fraud.

[00:22:12] What say you Jim?

[00:22:14] I think it's totally fraudulent in everything that it's done.

[00:22:19] And it does turn into election fraud when you know politicians the one skill that politicians have is that they don't have to take responsibility

[00:22:30] when they've made their bed having to lie in it.

[00:22:34] And the Democratic Party moved for months to push any competition away from Joe Biden who we already knew had mental problems and deterioration.

[00:22:47] They shoved RFK Jr. out of the process and they shoved others who were trying to oppose him.

[00:22:54] They cleared the way for him to get there and then low and behold suddenly when it's clear that Joe Biden is about to go through a disastrous loss.

[00:23:04] They break their own rules and inject Kamala Harris in there and now the media is being totally irresponsible trying to make her out to be the savior of society when she is absolutely first of all dumb

[00:23:17] and secondly unconstitutional and unwilling to honor and respect the rights of the American people.

[00:23:24] She's willing to abrogate those rights in every way possible.

[00:23:27] So yes, I find it criminal.

[00:23:29] I find it to be something that is seriously problematic for the future health of this country.

[00:23:37] I mean you know we always talk about the most important election of our lifetime.

[00:23:40] This really is.

[00:23:41] I do not see a way back if Donald Trump doesn't become president and frankly we have real big challenges even if he does get elected.

[00:23:50] But if that one thing doesn't happen, we are on the verge of disaster.

[00:23:56] We're on the verge of going down the path of Brazil.

[00:23:59] But I submit to you though that it's criminal activity of Joe's capable of serving.

[00:24:04] I don't know that he can just step down like that after the primaries.

[00:24:09] It almost seems like Donald Trump would just need to be the president because there's no challenger or they need to have a quick primary.

[00:24:15] What needs to happen in this reality?

[00:24:17] The way it's going on now in my mind is criminal because no one voted for Kamala yet.

[00:24:22] That's exactly right.

[00:24:24] And we have to oppose this and call it out for what it is.

[00:24:27] Alright, we're gonna do it.

[00:24:29] We're gonna come right back though and find out what we gotta do and we've got a plan to do something about it.

[00:24:33] I want to get Jim's take on that as well.

[00:24:35] You are listening to Liberty Roundtable Live ladies and gentlemen.

[00:24:37] I am Sam Bushman.

[00:24:38] Jim Fath with me.

[00:24:41] I'm telling you right now we've gotta do something.

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[00:26:00] A Japanese court has ruled an 88 year old man not guilty in a retrial of a 1966 quadruple murder case, this after the man spent decades on death row.

[00:26:10] Iwao Hakamada was widely expected to be acquitted, for 56 years the former professional boxer has maintained his innocence after being found guilty in 1968 of killing his boss, the man's wife and their two teenage children.

[00:26:24] Mr. Hakamada spent nearly half a century behind bars mostly in solitary confinement before new evidence led to his release from incarceration in 2014. He was granted a retrial in 2023 after a court decided that investigators could have planted the evidence.

[00:26:39] Mr. Hakamada's supporters say decades of detention with the ever present threat of execution took a heavy toll on his mental health.

[00:26:46] That's a BBC Shaba Halil. South Korean intelligence says North Korea has likely enriched enough uranium to build a double digit number of nuclear bombs.

[00:26:56] News and analysis, townhall.com.

[00:27:00] Well the government weight watchers out with a new report that concludes too many Americans are too heavy.

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[00:30:28] Introducing President of the Conservative Caucus, theconservativecaucas.org to learn more.

[00:30:35] We're talking about criminal activity in government. I submit to you that to allow the Federal Reserve to continue printing money as criminal.

[00:30:42] Allowing us to have these continued resolutions spending us into oblivion is criminal.

[00:30:48] This idea that Kamala can literally be running for president right now, not have to talk to the press except for under unique conditions,

[00:30:54] not have a debate except for we find out it was fraudulent and the media was in Harris' camp,

[00:31:00] a $40 million dollar, some people are saying donation to her campaign, a donation in kind if you will.

[00:31:04] Because it wasn't a fair debate at all. There was manipulation, whistleblowers coming to the table and everything on it.

[00:31:10] And now we've got literally this gal that's up there no one voted for so they literally skipped the primaries intentionally so

[00:31:16] you put that plus unlimited money for war and we're going to war we're in over 130 nations militarily speaking.

[00:31:23] And you know what? We haven't declared war at all but yet we spend more money on war than every other country combined.

[00:31:30] We're arming and training and funding war all around the world everywhere we go.

[00:31:34] And I submit to you that it's got to stop. And so General Michael Flynn has a term and it says this,

[00:31:40] local action, national impact. We need to start to take local action because you can't solve the problems in D.C.

[00:31:48] It's just flat out too corrupt. There's no other way to solve the problems.

[00:31:52] So the Constitutional Sheriff's and Peace Officers Association which I'm the CEO of and Sheriff Richard Mack is the founder of

[00:31:59] we're about to unveil a press release ladies and gentlemen. And this press release literally basically says hey we need all 3,000

[00:32:05] Sheriff's in the country and we need all 50 state attorney generals to start absolutely investigating all this criminal activity.

[00:32:12] It has got to stop. And if it doesn't stop we're going to have an external World War 3, we're going to have an internal Civil War

[00:32:19] and we're going to spend ourselves into oblivion to where we have no credit around the world and no credibility whatsoever.

[00:32:26] I'm just telling you right now we've got to start to rein in criminal activity.

[00:32:29] We've got to start to have a moral compass here and I don't know any way except for the local people to take action locally

[00:32:35] and then create national impact out of it. These people can investigate, they can get it on the table

[00:32:40] and then we need appropriate DA's to partner with them and attorney generals to work together

[00:32:45] and to rein in the out of control general government. They're not obeying their constitutional mandates at all

[00:32:52] and the only people that can rein them in are the states. In Richard Mack's Supreme Court case it discusses two sovereigns

[00:32:59] the state and the general given specific defined responsibilities. We can rein in the federal government, the states can do it

[00:33:06] the local counties can do it if we the people back our Sheriff's and our attorney generals.

[00:33:13] Now I don't have the press release in front of me for all the wording of it but in general that's what it says

[00:33:17] because of all these things going on the border lakes like a sieve we can okay there's got to be something done

[00:33:23] I submit to you that local action national impact is the only way forward. Jim what do you think about this?

[00:33:30] Well I agree listen there's a need in this country for more organizations to help people understand the actions they can take

[00:33:42] leading up to elections that can help them figure out how to organize locally to hold their local leaders accountable

[00:33:51] but then gather up in those groups to hold their congressman accountable. I would like to see and we're going to do this

[00:33:57] in our organization more and more as time goes on I would like to see local groups of people get together

[00:34:03] and do you know peaceful protests in front of their congressional offices the local congressional offices

[00:34:12] make it uncomfortable for them to say we're tired of what you're doing it's got to stop. Of course we've got to kick them out

[00:34:18] I mean it might be scary for Republicans to think that if everybody was turned out of congress because everybody voted against the incumbent

[00:34:27] that maybe Democrats might take control and I would hope that wouldn't happen but you know what that kind of cleansing

[00:34:33] would go a long way to future steps to stop all this because we're really at a place right now where our federal government

[00:34:43] has become in relation to the people just the same as the British government was against the colonists prior to the revolution

[00:34:54] we're at a revolutionary stage in that regard in other words where we have begged and pleaded and prayed and asked and urged

[00:35:05] and they just ignore us the corruption of Washington DC is so bad I used to tell people and I was supporting Ted Cruz at first in 2016

[00:35:14] I used to tell people who were upset with Trump didn't like what he was I'm like listen I'm supporting Ted but I'm not against the help Trump running

[00:35:23] and I said if he becomes president he's going to kick over the trash cans in Washington DC and show and reveal what's really going on

[00:35:32] everyone knew DC was bad now they know how truly bad it is now the next step is to clean the turned over garbage out of the city

[00:35:41] and get us back to a place where we can provide a redress of our grievances and one last thing I'll say on that

[00:35:48] on January 6 listen there were idiot actors that took place there and we're finding out from my former boss Thomas Massie who yesterday sort of revealed

[00:35:57] there really probably were government actors injected in the crowd and evidence is going to come out but the vast majority of those people

[00:36:05] that were outside the Capitol that day they were just trying to say we're concerned about what's going on and you guys need to listen to us

[00:36:12] and you got government actors that are trying to persecute these people ever since in violation of their constitutional right to provide a redress of grievances

[00:36:24] and I think that's right and I think it starts with the American people understanding they need to back their shares in their state attorney general to work on this

[00:36:31] and I don't know how many will or won't but it would really start to let people know which people are in for solutions which people aren't

[00:36:37] and it helps people understand look we think Washington DC is the top of the government your local dog catcher's irrelevant or whatever the opposite is true

[00:36:45] you know what your counties in your states have way more broad authority than the general government ever had

[00:36:50] now the general government has their to do list it's limited it's defined it's laid out in the supreme law of the land the contract with the people

[00:36:58] so it's very clear who has more power and more authority but we've got to start somewhere I know you've read kind of a pre-release copy of that

[00:37:07] press release what do you think is it something that that you think your group can join

[00:37:13] yeah I think absolutely everything you've said in that release is fundamentally true and by the way quick quick correction because I think it's an even better quote

[00:37:21] the Abraham Lincoln what he said about the problems that we have he says at what point then is the approach of danger to be expected

[00:37:29] I answer if it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us it cannot come from abroad if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher

[00:37:40] as a nation of free men we must live through all time or die by suicide

[00:37:47] and yes I do agree with you we have got to tell these people the power lay with the states and with the people

[00:37:56] my former boss Thomas Massie always likes to say his favorite part of the Constitution is article nine because all the rights that aren't laid out in the Constitution

[00:38:07] if we've left anything out by the way right yeah say again if we've left anything out by the way article nine

[00:38:14] yeah that's right and then article ten obviously give states the rights I think we need to rescind I think it's the sixteenth amendment

[00:38:22] that allows for popular vote of senators and go back to the 76 years of taxes so yes thank you yeah yeah yeah I was gonna mix up

[00:38:30] but anyway that needs to be rescinded we we need the states to be able to assert authority through the Senate

[00:38:36] and we need everyone every governor every attorney general and every and even local officials as you point out

[00:38:45] they need to push back legally against the federal government to stop doing what they're doing

[00:38:51] it one of the biggest issues is being talked about right now in this campaign is Kamala Harris is trying to beat up on Donald Trump

[00:38:57] for saying get rid of the US Department of Education because you're against education no that is a pro education move

[00:39:04] because the federal government screwed up our system we spend more per student in this country on education than any country

[00:39:12] in the developed world and certainly of the undeveloped world and yet we're failing our students we're failing

[00:39:18] there's no authority is the biggest problem there's no authority on the general level constitutionally speaking for them to be involved

[00:39:24] or spend money on the on the subject right there is nothing listen everyone need I tell people all the time

[00:39:30] every American needs to read article one section of the Constitution and tell me where most of what we do fits in those categories

[00:39:39] if you would just do that then you realize and then this this is one like you talked about earlier where we flubbed up

[00:39:45] and we've got commitments we've got to figure it out Social Security is not constitutional it's not the least constitutional

[00:39:51] now that's a tough one because we make commitments we need to get out of it but we could if we would just pass the law

[00:39:57] you don't crash the plane you don't crash the plane and chop it off what you do is you put sunset provisions in place

[00:40:02] and you create a graduate scale so those can become often there's a way to extract ourselves without a doubt

[00:40:08] and then let everyone who has a Social Security commitment to them at the time that is still going on let them own the money

[00:40:15] and direct the money you know they could put it all into what's called the first program in that federal employees have

[00:40:22] that I was once under you know there are five funds in there and you could just put your social whatever the taxes are from the employer

[00:40:29] and your side into that account and then you direct it listen there are ways to fix these problems

[00:40:35] yeah you can tell people that you know you can you can take a stipend based on how long you've been in the system

[00:40:40] and just walk away and deal with your own money and be responsible on your own if you want to quick it's like people do with their severance

[00:40:45] you can take this cash and leave you can do this you can do that there's a gazillion options ladies and gentlemen

[00:40:50] and we need to be about them Jim Papp with me we're talking about the conservative caucus dot org on your radio

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[00:43:07] all right ladies and gentlemen Jim Pap with me president of the conservative caucus the conservative caucus dot org and so I say it was bad enough with Kamala skip in the primaries

[00:43:18] but now we understand from whistleblowers and everybody else and you can see by the way the questions were asked it was littered three on one on Trump

[00:43:25] and it was a disaster and Kamala I mean in the questions they asked her they even give the answers in the in the way the questions were phrased oftentimes she was literally able to interrupt Donald Trump even though they promised microphones

[00:43:37] to be off whistleblowers tell us that she had like questions or similar questions in advance you know this idea that that that she wouldn't be asked certain questions ahead of time

[00:43:51] the debate was a sham and everybody knows it and now she's all like yeah I'm ready for another debate and Donald's like no now I think don't make a mistake by saying no

[00:44:01] what Donald should do is say yes I want to debate but we're going to have some new media people taking center stage that'll be doing the questions are you still up for the debate or is it only under your control manipulation

[00:44:12] Donald's missed an opportunity to lay this out before the American people clearly in my opinion Jim

[00:44:17] yeah I listen I I am not against him doing another debate but it has to be now on his terms I don't think he has to do one to be successful here be nice if he did but I'm not absolutely convinced it must happen

[00:44:32] but if it does happen you can throw it on the gauntlet and highlight the point though you can say with honest media we're ready to do it here's 10 different honest media groups that'll do it come on let's go

[00:44:40] he could put the ball in a court in two seconds though and if it doesn't happen it's her not him see

[00:44:45] yeah I think we need to move away from the whole debate commission approach that we've done for decades

[00:44:50] amen he could reformat and say this is what it's going to look like and he can be fair about it listen it's it's not a problem having left wing people there

[00:44:58] you just have to have a balance it's got to be transparent there's no games playing here

[00:45:04] and by the you know I used to members of Congress that I've worked for I would always tell them when if they got frustrated over bad news out of left wing newspapers it came their way

[00:45:15] I'm saying hey go ahead and ignore it you're just you're just getting our people stirred up because they're going to defend you and they know you're right

[00:45:22] and so it's okay to have tough questions the point is you cannot have this kind of coordination that absolutely took place in the ABC debate

[00:45:30] this needs to change and there are groups of people that could do this we got to totally change that format but here's the point

[00:45:37] Donald Trump on the fundamentals wins I am convinced that a lot of there's no doubt that Kamala Harris did kind of scooch back in the polls a little bit after the debate

[00:45:49] because Donald Trump didn't have a great debate but that said these pollsters I'm convinced I posted on this today it's my opinion that they said wait

[00:45:57] Donald Trump cannot be leading this much so they changed their turnout models and now you're getting these ever tightening polls that go against what the real turnout's going to be

[00:46:06] I think Donald Trump is in the driver's seat here he still has to do the work he still has to do the message there are only 40 days to do it and he needs to work really hard

[00:46:14] but I really believe the American people are sick and tired of what they're seeing going on they hate Bidenomics they know that Harris can't be trusted

[00:46:21] they know that she's someone they have never voted for before I really do believe that Donald Trump can pull this out debate or no but debate

[00:46:31] I agree you can pull it out debate or no debate but right now I think he's going to have to unleash something significant though like this press release we're talking about

[00:46:40] you cannot allow this corruption to continue and I'll give you an example somebody needs to sue ABC over this debate is it true what these whistleblowers saying that Kamala was given

[00:46:49] like questions ahead of time and Trump was not is it true that they agreed not to ask Kamala certain questions or she would not have the debate is it true that

[00:46:58] okay if those things are true it's flat out election fraud yeah I you know not election fraud in the legal sense but it is fraudulent it's absolutely fraudulent

[00:47:11] it's really hard to with the first amendment to hold these media companies accountable but I think there are certain ways that that may be necessary

[00:47:20] you know in Great Britain you cannot libel and slander even if you're a media person they don't allow that and they're very strict about it

[00:47:28] it's not a perfect system it doesn't make it everything go away every problem go away so much of what we do to make our country great is what we the American people are willing to do

[00:47:39] that's why the conservative caucus for 50 years this year has been working hard to try to help people get the tools they need to be effective both at election time and in between elections

[00:47:52] this is the type of thing we need to do I get concerned there are a lot of great groups out there but I can concern that some of these groups are only about putting on their big event

[00:48:00] and putting on a splash those big events are useful and helpful and the net benefit is good but you need to go from that point and put real actionable things in place that will change the outcome of elections

[00:48:13] the way you win elections is not having the most TV commercials and the most radio commercials you got to do that stuff

[00:48:20] but what wins an election is actually identifying voters and then making sure every one of those identified voters get out to the polls

[00:48:29] and you can identify who all your voters are going to be it's challenging it's not it's simple it's not easy but it can be done

[00:48:37] and that paradigm particularly on the republican side conservative side needs to change that's how we win this country back and then obviously we need to take on these rancid election processes that are happening in the states

[00:48:52] it's a real problem we got to get away from mail voting we got to get away from early voting go back to same day voting and citizen only voting

[00:48:59] we have to work towards that but in the meantime we got to work really hard to take advantage of the situations that are offered to us and the rules that exist and then go change the rules and hold people accountable to it

[00:49:11] and if Donald wants to win he needs to make a big splash though he's got to come out with something different than hey I'll protect the border and I'm not Kamala

[00:49:19] okay and this idea that hey I'm gonna make you know 9-1-1 a national monument I'm gonna go ahead and give people you know no taxes on their tips

[00:49:26] I mean they're great little around the edges things but you're gonna have to come back with a bold plan for solution if you really want to win

[00:49:35] and I don't think that Kamala can win in an honest election but if they cheat she might just win we need to make sure it's so overwhelming that they can't cheat Jim

[00:49:47] I agree with that and using the strategies that I said in general terms is the biggest way to do that so Donald Trump's campaign does have some vote turnout stuff I don't see precisely where it is in every state

[00:50:02] but one of the things that may pull this whole deal out is Pennsylvania you've got Cliff Maloney and Scott Pressler who have done a tremendous job getting people registered to vote there

[00:50:12] Republicans have a much more dominant place in voter registration there and they're also doing get out the vote efforts to make sure that that happens

[00:50:21] Pennsylvania's a must win for Kamala Harris it's actually not a must win for Donald Trump there are ways that he can win without it

[00:50:27] but Kamala Harris must if we can hold the line there in Pennsylvania which I think we will I went up to Tucker Carlson's event with Alex Jones and Jack Pasobic at the beginning of the week

[00:50:39] I was up there for that event I was backstage there with those guys and I'm gonna tell you the energy in that auditorium was amazing

[00:50:47] there are people that are very concerned so beyond that now however well Donald Trump does that which is the origin of your question there

[00:50:55] we need to build out good strategies for winning elections in the future that's what the conservative caucus is dedicated to

[00:51:03] I've been able to do that in practice through my political career we're gonna duplicate that down at the state level and beyond

[00:51:10] that's where we went in the long run we can't wait for the parties to help us out we can't even wait for the politicians to help us out

[00:51:16] what we gotta do is as citizens decide this is where we're going and you're going to comply or we kick you out and go find someone else who can replace you

[00:51:26] all I can tell you is if we could sit down with Donald Trump and if he released that he was willing to go along with say let's get all 3,000 shares and all 50 attorney state generals to really dig into these criminal activities going on

[00:51:38] and start arresting people I believe Americans will get behind that and say we need to clean up the system

[00:51:43] I believe that the American people will support those things they'll support deportations that are going to happen obviously you're gonna have screaming from Democrats about it

[00:51:53] but that needs to happen when it comes to elections Donald Trump also needs to go out and press these states to clean up their voter rolls

[00:52:03] and because that's one of the biggest beyond the mail voting in the early voting these dirty voter rolls where we found in various states hundreds of thousands of people who are either moved out of the state or non-citizens that are on these voter rolls

[00:52:19] we gotta work towards these things as well too if we can just have our processes work well then the rest of it will play out in a much better way we can make the reforms that we need to make

[00:52:30] but we gotta remember it's not just looking at Congress and getting mad at them as you should it is what we do every 2 years to change the landscape so that we could the efforts we do in between elections can be more effective with people who actually care about this country

[00:52:49] and I think the more local we start and the more local we focus let that trickle down nationally not the other way around we always think that hey you know what just get the president fixed and we're good

[00:52:58] I'm not saying that's not important but I we need to look local though that local action national impact if we had all 3000 counties cooking and all 50 states cooking with answers on this thing

[00:53:08] we would change the game overnight our greater numbers can make the difference if we engage Jim

[00:53:15] yeah I agree and listen the Constitution starts out we the people in order to form a more perfect union blah blah blah I mean that that the purpose of the Constitution is for the people not the government

[00:53:30] but the important thing is we the people have to have that attitude about it we've got to change our minds we gotta understand that government does things but we don't need government to do things

[00:53:42] what we need is to do our own things and then have the government do the basic stuff in our Constitution is outlined in article one section eight we can make this change if we're willing to assert it on our behalf

[00:53:56] but it starts with us it starts with educating your friends and your community and then taking action every two years

[00:54:04] God bless you Jim path ladies and gentlemen we're talking about the conservative caucus they're making a big difference and we gotta get involved and make a big difference with them

[00:54:13] a lot of groups doing a lot of good things right now we need to make sure we connect the dots and you're all involved the conservative caucus dot org thanks Jim we'll have you back in talk soon sir

[00:54:46] thanks Sam appreciate it