* The good Sheriff Richard Mack and Sam Bushman discuss the current Media Clown Show over Mass Deportations and highlight two Contrasting Articles one from Wired and the other from the EpochTimes.
* What role does and should the NSA play in Trump's Deportation effort?
[00:00:13] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West.
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[00:00:24] All right.
[00:00:26] Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans.
[00:00:27] Sam Bushman live on your radio.
[00:00:29] This is the broadcast for December 31st in the year of our Lord, 2024.
[00:00:34] Hour 2 at 2.
[00:00:35] It is New Year's Eve.
[00:00:37] I hope you guys are gearing up for an incredible 2025.
[00:00:40] There's going to be a lot of twists and turns.
[00:00:41] I can promise you that.
[00:00:43] But if you have faith in Christ, if you keep the commandments of God, ye shall not fear.
[00:00:50] Welcome to the show.
[00:00:52] Hope you're all doing absolutely fantastic.
[00:00:54] Sheriff Richard Mack with me, founder and president of the Constitutional Sheriff's and Peace Officers Association.
[00:00:59] That's CSPOA.org.
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[00:01:05] Well, we briefed you last hour as we had a sheriff on who's being sworn in tomorrow.
[00:01:11] Sheriff-elect in Texas.
[00:01:13] He was involved with Sheriff Mack the whole time.
[00:01:15] Love Sheriff Mack.
[00:01:16] Came to our event in Florida.
[00:01:18] You got to dig it.
[00:01:19] And he's not backing away from Sheriff Mack.
[00:01:22] But there's a sheriff in Arizona named Sheriff Wilmot that basically said through this reporter, David Gilbert over at Wired.
[00:01:29] That's not even a United States News Service, folks, by the way.
[00:01:32] But anyway, he said, hey, no one listens to Mack and da-da-da-da-da.
[00:01:35] My response to Wilmot, you're completely clueless about this.
[00:01:40] The fourth largest county in the country.
[00:01:42] It vacillates between the third and fourth largest.
[00:01:44] Maricopa County, Arizona.
[00:01:46] Jerry Sheridan ran for office.
[00:01:47] Asked for Richard Mack's endorsement.
[00:01:49] Got it.
[00:01:49] Richard helped him with his campaign.
[00:01:51] And he won.
[00:01:51] So while you say no one listens to Richard Mack, the sheriff of the largest county in your state certainly does, sir.
[00:01:58] And so is the sheriff we just had on last hour from Texas, sir.
[00:02:01] Both of them won.
[00:02:03] And both of them had Richard Mack involved in their campaigns from an endorsement and further involvement in many ways.
[00:02:10] So anyway, I wrote this David Gilbert clown from Wired because I contrast and compare these articles and there's nothing to compare.
[00:02:21] It's only contrast.
[00:02:22] And the contrast is so extreme media agenda driven on the Wired side to where it has really no facts in it.
[00:02:31] Whereas the Epoch Times article is just full of, you know, factual.
[00:02:35] Here's the deal.
[00:02:37] They quote me.
[00:02:38] They quote Sheriff Mack.
[00:02:39] They talked to both of us.
[00:02:40] They the Wired guy did none of that.
[00:02:41] He just got everything convoluted and tried to create tried to what he really tried to do is get with Richard Mack, offend Richard, get him to say something stupid.
[00:02:49] And then, hey, report on that.
[00:02:51] It didn't happen.
[00:02:52] All Richard Mack did was politely write back an 18 point.
[00:02:55] Here's who we are and here's what we're doing.
[00:02:57] Factual document, which turned out to be incredible.
[00:03:00] Of course, that didn't interest Mr. Gilbert because he has an agenda.
[00:03:03] And man, if you can't, you know, get Richard Mack to say something stupid or clown like that he could take advantage of, then there's not really anything to report here.
[00:03:10] See, that's how these clowns do it.
[00:03:12] And then they wonder why no one likes him or believes in him in the media.
[00:03:14] So I wrote this guy as the CEO of the CSPU.
[00:03:17] And I wrote, hi, David.
[00:03:19] I hope this message finds you well.
[00:03:22] My name is Sam Bushman.
[00:03:23] I'm the CEO of the CSPOA.
[00:03:26] I wanted to reach out regarding your recent article.
[00:03:30] I really wish you had taken the time to connect with both Sheriff Mack and me before writing your piece.
[00:03:37] Sheriff Mack had previously emailed you an 18 point document detailing who he is and what the CSPOA stands for.
[00:03:48] We believe it provides clarity and context about our organization that you should have found helpful and valuable.
[00:03:56] And the reason that I say that is because he didn't use any of it.
[00:03:59] None of it.
[00:03:59] It's just shocking.
[00:04:02] None of it.
[00:04:04] To add to this honest and fair perspective, I submit this article to you.
[00:04:12] Sheriffs say they can help ICE in Trump's mass deportation plan.
[00:04:19] Who in this country knows their counties better than the sheriff, says former sheriff and founder of the Constitutional Sheriff's Organization.
[00:04:32] And then it's Darlene McCormick Sanchez who writes for the Epoch Times.
[00:04:39] And I give the article.
[00:04:42] I said, read this article.
[00:04:44] Then I say, then the article kind of continues with some important points here that are factual.
[00:04:50] Sheriffs will likely play a key role in helping federal agents secure the border and deport illegal immigrants under President Donald Trump.
[00:05:00] Now, I look at that and I go, you just had a sheriff on that got elected with Richard Mack's support, help, and endorsement from Texas who says, I'm waiting for Trump's call.
[00:05:10] I am ready to go.
[00:05:12] Now, how is that not a factual statement by the Epoch Times reporter?
[00:05:17] Sheriffs will likely play a key role.
[00:05:18] I mean, that's as honest as it gets.
[00:05:21] Whereas the other article, this wired clown guy, he's like, no, sheriffs think they'll be helpful, but they don't even have any involvement.
[00:05:26] What?
[00:05:28] So I then continued talking about this Epoch Times article, which I think is fair and balanced and honorable.
[00:05:34] It talks about the who, what, when, where, why of an honest story.
[00:05:37] This real journalist slash article actually spent the time to call both Sheriff Mack and me before finishing her article.
[00:05:47] And then I say this.
[00:05:48] It shows in her accurate reporting.
[00:05:53] I have been in the news business for 30 plus years.
[00:05:57] Your article is an agenda, hit-driven piece with an outcome you were hoping for.
[00:06:05] Ratings come to mind?
[00:06:09] I'm truly disappointed at the article that you put your name to.
[00:06:14] Because it doesn't begin to educate or inform on anyone on facts that matter.
[00:06:22] It doesn't deliver as your professional name should.
[00:06:25] So I'm kind of appealing to his name here.
[00:06:26] You're putting your name to this dribble, buddy.
[00:06:28] And you wonder why nobody trusts you.
[00:06:30] You wonder why, you know, the mainstream press is like, yes, you're hearing.
[00:06:33] People are ignoring them and don't care anymore.
[00:06:35] It's because of this kind of stuff.
[00:06:37] The Epoch Times article answered much more of the questions that you should have been asking.
[00:06:46] I'm here if you have any questions or need any further information.
[00:06:50] P.S.
[00:06:51] Are you interested in joining me on nationally syndicated radio to compare and contrast real news versus hit-piece reporting?
[00:07:02] And we can discuss.
[00:07:03] We can fact-check the reports side-by-side.
[00:07:06] We look forward to working with you.
[00:07:08] Best regards, Sam Bushman.
[00:07:09] Okay.
[00:07:10] He never wrote me back.
[00:07:11] And I think it's interesting.
[00:07:14] If you have a leader of an organization like this, write him that detailed message, you don't even get a simple, even a response back.
[00:07:21] Isn't that interesting, Sheriff?
[00:07:25] Well, it is, Sam.
[00:07:26] And it's very typical of the hit-and-run media.
[00:07:32] They don't want to stay at the accident scene and expose really what their involvement was with the accident.
[00:07:44] And I know that's a law enforcement metaphor going over to this incident.
[00:07:50] But that's why you have hit-and-run people.
[00:07:52] They're hiding something.
[00:07:53] And he's a hit-and-run media guy.
[00:07:55] He doesn't want to stop and go, oh, you want to talk about the truth, Sam?
[00:08:00] No, no.
[00:08:02] You don't understand, Sam.
[00:08:05] My agenda would be damaged.
[00:08:11] My tactics would be damaged if they're all exposed.
[00:08:15] And so, no, he's not going to be on with you.
[00:08:18] And if he were, he would have to have you agree to only asking questions that he would approve of.
[00:08:31] Let me tell you what I will agree to.
[00:08:33] Here's what I will agree to.
[00:08:34] I won't agree to control the questions that I ask.
[00:08:37] I'll ask anything I want to.
[00:08:38] What I will agree to is this.
[00:08:40] I will be polite and respectful.
[00:08:42] And what I will agree to is that I'll give him fair time to say the things that he wants to say.
[00:08:46] The only heartbreaks I have.
[00:08:49] Yeah.
[00:08:50] The only heartbreaks I have are at the top of the bottom of the hour.
[00:08:53] I cannot take those away.
[00:08:54] Radio stations depend on it across the country, so I can't get rid of those.
[00:08:57] But other than that, I will let him say what he wants to say.
[00:09:00] I will not play games.
[00:09:01] I will not try to do a drive-by hit piece on him.
[00:09:04] I won't try to attack him.
[00:09:06] I just want to compare and contrast the article.
[00:09:08] Let me give you a quick example to make the point.
[00:09:11] His article starts out by saying this.
[00:09:13] Meet the far right.
[00:09:16] There are hundreds of constitutional sheriffs ready to assert control if Trump loses.
[00:09:22] There are hundreds of constitutional sheriffs around the country who believe they are the ultimate legal power in the county.
[00:09:31] We break down how they have coalesced with election denial and that movement.
[00:09:37] Anyway, then he starts out by leading with Sheriff Darleef.
[00:09:43] Now, what I find fascinating is that's not even the article that we're referring to, Sheriff.
[00:09:51] That's what this guy has basically led with by writing articles attacking us over and over.
[00:09:59] This isn't the first one.
[00:10:01] But now, think how you – I don't know what you want to say.
[00:10:09] Think how you write an article that's fair and honest and open going into it with this agenda.
[00:10:13] Let me give you an example.
[00:10:16] They say this.
[00:10:18] They put the constitutional sheriffs with the, quote, election denial movement.
[00:10:24] And think about how just one rogue sheriff could call the whole presidential race into question.
[00:10:30] One rogue sheriff.
[00:10:33] I look at that and go, what?
[00:10:37] This guy has got such an agenda, as you point out.
[00:10:41] It is beyond imagination.
[00:10:43] Let's go ahead and skip the break.
[00:10:44] Now, the next one says, take back the states.
[00:10:53] The far-right sheriffs and then are ready to – and anyway, then they say we wouldn't divulge how many paying members there is, how many sheriffs.
[00:11:05] Why would we, in my opinion, why would we go ahead and tell him all those details?
[00:11:14] I don't understand why we would give Wired.
[00:11:17] I mean, how much does David Gilbert make?
[00:11:19] How many people are in David Gilbert's organization overseas?
[00:11:23] How many people are employed?
[00:11:24] How much does it cost to run their organization monthly and stuff?
[00:11:27] They're not going to be answering questions like that.
[00:11:28] And why should we as well?
[00:11:30] It doesn't make any sense.
[00:11:31] They want to use that when you won't answer those questions as somehow you've got something to hide is why they kind of play that game, sheriff.
[00:11:38] Right, right.
[00:11:39] Well, and he did that with me regarding Tom Holman.
[00:11:43] And he asked me if I'd been in touch with him or anyone else in the transition team.
[00:11:49] And I said, yes, Tom Holman has called me.
[00:11:56] And I actually – I told him that, but it was true.
[00:12:01] But I was actually in another meeting at the time, and I did notice that it was Tom Holman that actually called me, and I missed his call.
[00:12:10] But we texted probably three or four times, and he says, well, can you take a screenshot of your text with Tom Holman and send it to me so I know you're telling me the truth?
[00:12:24] Why would I do a thing like that?
[00:12:25] Just call Tom.
[00:12:26] Tom Holman Yeah, I said, well, first of all, I said, I don't care if you don't believe me.
[00:12:32] And I said, you asking me for that, I said, in any deal, there has to be a benefit to both parties.
[00:12:41] I said, I see no benefit whatsoever me giving you a screenshot of a text that I had with him, except that he'll think that I'm stupid for sharing such information with you.
[00:12:55] And I said, again, I don't care if you believe me or not.
[00:13:01] Tom Holman And so in his article, do you remember that, Sam?
[00:13:04] That they were not able to corroborate my claim that I'd been speaking with Tom Holman.
[00:13:14] So that's why he put that in there, because he was mad at me for not giving him what he wanted.
[00:13:19] But I said, I get no benefit from sharing that with you, except that you'll probably use it to the extent that Tom will be mad at me.
[00:13:29] And I said, so no, I am not giving that to you.
[00:13:34] Well, what I find fascinating about it is he didn't document anything, too, when the claim is made that no one listens to Mac.
[00:13:44] I mean, all you got to do is find out Sheriff Jerry Sheridan, the largest county in Arizona, asked for your endorsement.
[00:13:52] Got it.
[00:13:52] You worked on his campaign and he won.
[00:13:54] How can you with good faith say no one's listening to you?
[00:13:57] Okay.
[00:13:58] And how about if you make that statement from Wilmot?
[00:14:01] How about if you put that line in there that I'm talking about, which says, hey, not only did he win at the Supreme Court, but hey, he was involved in the campaign.
[00:14:10] One of the largest sheriffs in the country that won.
[00:14:13] That's not a small feat.
[00:14:14] How does Steve Bannon then say, Sheriff Mack, thank you so much from President Trump for stopping this other clown from becoming the DEA leader?
[00:14:21] How do you ignore those advancements from your efforts in the CSPOA in light of all that?
[00:14:29] I mean, it just doesn't make any sense.
[00:14:31] Right.
[00:14:32] Well, obviously, the irony of that and maybe even the hypocrisy of that is that he puts that in there in his story that he's doing from London.
[00:14:45] Why would he not challenge Wilmot on that very issue?
[00:14:52] Well, I'm talking to him right now and I'm from Europe.
[00:14:55] You know, so that's kind of a false statement on its face because I have somebody interviewing me from Europe who is now being told that nobody listens to me.
[00:15:13] So why did he just stop talking to me?
[00:15:15] As soon as he talked to Wilmot, he goes, oh, well, nobody listens to Mack anymore.
[00:15:20] So let's just bag this and believe Wilmot.
[00:15:25] Obviously, he didn't believe me.
[00:15:26] He kept and he published the article.
[00:15:29] So people in the world are now listening to me.
[00:15:36] So that's why that whole thing is so stupid.
[00:15:39] But Sam, in review of 2024, I even put in there and I think I put the wrong time frame.
[00:15:50] But for this year alone, Sam, I've done over 300 interviews on television, Rumble.
[00:16:00] That's because no one listens to Mack.
[00:16:02] I mean, how many people do you think that 300 interviews relates to?
[00:16:06] And that doesn't even count all the interviews that I've done.
[00:16:10] Yeah.
[00:16:12] So it's pretty ridiculous.
[00:16:15] And I even put that number on my 18-point list saying this is what we've done just recently and over the years.
[00:16:26] But this year alone, Sam, has been a banner year for CSPOA.
[00:16:30] One, we had two national conventions, one in Vegas, one in Florida.
[00:16:35] And this is the most I've ever done interviews ever, even right after the Supreme Court case was filed.
[00:16:47] I've done more interviews this year than I did back then.
[00:16:52] And back then, it was really going crazy.
[00:16:55] I had to put a separate phone line in the sheriff's office just to handle those calls so that it would not interfere with the regular work that we were doing on the published lines for the sheriff's office.
[00:17:10] I want to go to something in the article where I believe that this David Gilbert guy over at Wired, I think he's absolutely a clown.
[00:17:18] And I say a clown because I don't believe that he fact checks at all.
[00:17:22] But here's the interesting thing.
[00:17:24] He says Sheriff Wilmot told Wired that the Supreme Court has already established that enforcing immigration laws outside of the jurisdiction of local police departments and sheriff's offices is what, outside the jurisdiction?
[00:17:47] I didn't know what Wilmot was talking about.
[00:17:49] I would still really like if he's going to quote the if he's going to quote Supreme Court cases, why doesn't he quote mine?
[00:17:55] But I didn't know what he was talking about.
[00:17:57] And no one has challenged that.
[00:17:59] And I would really like to say, what what Supreme Court case are you talking about here?
[00:18:04] Well, and what I want to know is, what does he mean?
[00:18:07] Because if the president and if a governor of a given state wants to involve the sheriff in this coordinated effort to uphold the supreme law of the land,
[00:18:16] the general government has general border responsibilities and in the Congress controls, you know, the immigration policy or whatever you want to say, the immigration laws.
[00:18:26] OK, Congress does that.
[00:18:28] The president, the governor, the sheriff, they just carry out the laws on the books based on the supreme law.
[00:18:34] If there's a conflict, you go with the supreme law.
[00:18:36] But what I'm saying is, what is he even talking about?
[00:18:39] What's he even saying?
[00:18:40] Well, David didn't go, yeah, Wilmont asserts this about the courts or he says this.
[00:18:46] We haven't been able to verify that.
[00:18:49] Why not any clarification?
[00:18:50] Why not any?
[00:18:51] I don't understand it.
[00:18:53] You would have thought that David Gilbert would have said, what Supreme Court case?
[00:18:58] What are you talking about?
[00:18:59] And Sam, you know this as well as I do, that I have said all along in my Supreme Court case, the sheriff could voluntarily participate in enforcing the Brady Bill.
[00:19:12] They didn't, you know, it was their choice.
[00:19:18] And sheriffs could join the federal government on anything that they want.
[00:19:27] And it's up to the sheriff.
[00:19:28] If he wants to help with deportation, if he wants to help enforce the border, if he wants to go after people who have violated federal law at any level, he can do it if he wants to.
[00:19:39] Well, so let me clarify.
[00:19:40] Let me clarify what this, I think, is trying to say.
[00:19:44] Listen carefully.
[00:19:46] Wilmot says the Supreme Court, Wired, has already established that enforcing immigration laws is outside of the jurisdiction of local police departments and sheriff's offices.
[00:19:58] So what he's really doing is saying to you that your Supreme Court case is correct.
[00:20:05] Because if the Supreme Court says that the general government's responsibilities are outside of the county and the county's responsibilities are outside of the general government, according to your Supreme Court case, then they're documenting the separation that you've highlighted forever, first of all.
[00:20:19] So thank you, Wilmot.
[00:20:21] Your lack of clarity on that point is just, you know, concerning.
[00:20:26] But your point is to some degree correct.
[00:20:28] Now, here's the point.
[00:20:30] It's true that the general government has responsibility for the border and Congress has responsibility for the laws that relate to immigration.
[00:20:38] However, here's the question.
[00:20:40] Now, a sheriff doesn't have to carry out the federal government's mandate, according to your Supreme Court case.
[00:20:47] That's true.
[00:20:49] But there's nothing stopping them from doing so if they choose to either.
[00:20:53] And that's also true.
[00:20:54] And a point the article missed and a point Wilmot doesn't understand.
[00:21:00] Right.
[00:21:01] Right.
[00:21:02] The sheriff can do it if he wants to.
[00:21:03] He doesn't have to.
[00:21:04] The government can't force the sheriff to participate.
[00:21:06] Right.
[00:21:06] But the sheriff can certainly choose to participate if he wants to.
[00:21:10] He can.
[00:21:11] And not only that, Sam, but the U.S. Customs came to my office when I was sheriff and they asked me to cross deputize them.
[00:21:18] They wanted me to deputize them so that they could come into my county.
[00:21:23] And if they were deputies, then they could if they had a reason to pull somebody over for a traffic violation to see if they were actually a load vehicle for illegal aliens, then they could do it.
[00:21:35] And I told them to pound sand.
[00:21:37] And I was nice about it.
[00:21:39] I said, no, we're not going to do that.
[00:21:40] If you need us for something, you come here and let me know and we'll help you if it's something I can do.
[00:21:48] If not, I won't.
[00:21:49] But I said, I'm not going to just deputize you and you guys do whatever you want and say, oh, Sheriff Mack said we could.
[00:21:54] I said, no, I'm not going to do that.
[00:21:57] But Sam, on the other hand, many, not many, but there are several sheriff's offices who have done that.
[00:22:06] And they work with the federal agencies like that.
[00:22:09] Me, I know that the federal government doesn't have much power and I'm not going to give them mine because they want even to steal more.
[00:22:16] But there's plenty of sheriffs who have done the cross deputization with federal agents.
[00:22:24] And no one has what called him, called him into question or arrested them or investigated them.
[00:22:32] The sheriff is completely independent.
[00:22:35] He answers only to the people who appointed him and they can do it if they want to.
[00:22:42] So just the question is, are they sure they really want to do that?
[00:22:46] And concerning the Brady Bill, I was totally sure I did not want to violate my oath of office at the behest of the federal government.
[00:22:55] And six other sheriffs were sure as well and joined you.
[00:22:58] And the Supreme Court was sure and you won.
[00:23:01] And the president of the United States lost.
[00:23:03] Now, let's be clear.
[00:23:04] What the mainstream press wants to do is create a battle between the sheriff and the president of the United States saying, who's the more powerful?
[00:23:09] Who's got the crown?
[00:23:10] Who's the king?
[00:23:10] It isn't like that.
[00:23:12] It's boundary driven.
[00:23:13] It's jurisdictional driven.
[00:23:15] It's checks and balances driven.
[00:23:17] It's not a matter of who's more important or who's more powerful.
[00:23:20] It's a matter of jurisdiction.
[00:23:21] And so that's true.
[00:23:23] You know what?
[00:23:23] Tom Holman can't force the sheriffs to participate.
[00:23:25] It's true that, you know what?
[00:23:27] The general government is responsible for the border.
[00:23:30] And so half of what Wilmot is saying is correct.
[00:23:34] The part that he's missing is there's nothing that stops sheriffs from participating if they choose to.
[00:23:38] And there's sheriffs all over the country that are willing to.
[00:23:41] They do.
[00:23:42] Yeah.
[00:23:42] And remember that endorsement from Ken Paxton that Sheriff Kerry Melima had?
[00:23:49] Yes.
[00:23:50] It said, from the top law enforcement officer of the state.
[00:23:54] Yes.
[00:23:55] The AG is the top law enforcement of the state.
[00:23:59] But.
[00:24:01] My music just came on.
[00:24:03] Siri, turn it off.
[00:24:07] I'll finish that on the rebate.
[00:24:08] All right.
[00:24:09] Hang tight, ladies and gentlemen.
[00:24:10] I'll give you the quote when we come back.
[00:24:12] Sheriff Richard Mack will rock and roll from there.
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[00:24:26] How come none of them will is my question for you.
[00:24:28] How come none of them will?
[00:24:29] Wilmot?
[00:24:30] Come on.
[00:24:30] Chad?
[00:24:31] Come on.
[00:24:31] Both of you Chads from each coast.
[00:24:33] Come on.
[00:24:33] David Gilbert?
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[00:24:36] Oh, by the way, the Epoch Times reporter has been on this show.
[00:24:39] I commend Ms. Sanchez.
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[00:30:24] Ladies and gentlemen, Sheriff Kerry Minema will be sworn in tomorrow morning.
[00:30:31] County of Texas.
[00:30:34] He got two critical endorsements, I might add.
[00:30:38] Texas has 29-plus million people in it.
[00:30:41] But the two critical endorsements that Sheriff Kerry received was Texas Attorney General Ken Paxman for Wise County Sheriff.
[00:30:52] He said this, quote, as the highest law enforcement officer in Texas, I'm proud to endorse Kerry Minema for Wise County Sheriff.
[00:31:03] Kerry is an undisputed conservative Republican fighter with a passion for service and commitment to stand against an encroaching left-wing culture of lawlessness.
[00:31:19] Now, that's a very fascinating quote.
[00:31:22] Well, he also got an endorsement from Sheriff Richard Mack.
[00:31:25] And the best part is he won.
[00:31:27] Sheriff, you know, a lot of people are, for the mainstream press, are thinking whenever you get involved that tanks people's campaigns, the fact is two critical sheriffs just won with your full involvement.
[00:31:37] Yeah, and there was obviously more.
[00:31:39] We definitely lost some.
[00:31:41] Like I said, Mojave County.
[00:31:43] I endorsed the guy running against the incumbent.
[00:31:47] And the incumbent won.
[00:31:52] But, you know, he just never had anything to do with the CSPOA or any constitutional issues.
[00:31:59] In fact, he came out publicly and said, I will go along with the training from the National Sheriff's Association.
[00:32:06] I will follow what they preach and what they put out.
[00:32:09] As we said, alluded to earlier, Sam, the National Sheriff's Association doesn't know where they stand on any constitutional issue.
[00:32:17] They have never come out and supported any sheriff or any investigation on election fraud, even though several sheriffs have been investigating election fraud for quite some time.
[00:32:30] They won't touch that with a 10-foot pole.
[00:32:32] And I'll tell you what.
[00:32:33] Some of these sheriffs have even asked them to be involved or to assist or to help or to say something, and they've refused.
[00:32:39] Of course.
[00:32:40] Now, case in point with what you just said, Sheriff Jeff Christopher, who we hope is still recovering well from his stroke, and I've left him a message to call me.
[00:32:55] His son said he was doing better.
[00:32:56] But one of our first constitutional sheriffs in the entire country way back 13, 14 years ago, he was sheriff in Delaware, and there's only three counties in Delaware.
[00:33:07] Well, the county commissioners decided that they didn't like Sheriff Christopher, and so they were trying to take away some of his power and just wanted him to serve papers.
[00:33:21] Well, that's a constable.
[00:33:23] And why they needed two constables, who knows?
[00:33:27] But anyway, he ended up suing the state of Delaware because they were taking away the powers of the sheriff.
[00:33:33] Do you know what the National Sheriff's Association did?
[00:33:36] Nothing.
[00:33:38] Nothing.
[00:33:38] And he asked them.
[00:33:39] Just remained silent.
[00:33:40] He asked them for help.
[00:33:42] And they said, well, the other two sheriffs weren't asking for help, so that's why we didn't give it to the other one.
[00:33:49] What kind of stupidity is that?
[00:33:51] Well, that's the epitome of the National Sheriff's Association.
[00:33:55] They will not stand against the governments or especially the federal government.
[00:34:02] And do you want to know why, Sam?
[00:34:05] Why won't they stand against FBI abuse or DEA abuse?
[00:34:09] I think because they're afraid they'll get marginalized and shut down like we have.
[00:34:16] No, really.
[00:34:17] If the NSA, if the National Sheriff's Association literally stood up on points that matter, points of constitutional relevance, points of oath keeping and points of all these things, the rule of law.
[00:34:28] They would be shut down so fast.
[00:34:32] It wouldn't even be funny.
[00:34:33] Well, one way they would be shut down, Sam, is that their national conventions have a huge expo.
[00:34:41] And you go in there and there's thousands and thousands of tables from vendors to a few activists here and there, but they're very innocuous ones.
[00:34:55] Defend the blue.
[00:34:56] Defend law enforcement.
[00:34:58] Their groups would be all over the place.
[00:34:59] Defend the blue.
[00:35:00] The one group that has the most tables are federal agencies.
[00:35:08] DEA will have a big table.
[00:35:10] ICE will have a big table.
[00:35:11] FBI will have a big table.
[00:35:14] Not just...
[00:35:15] So the question is then hopefully Mark will be able to run that table pretty soon.
[00:35:20] Mark.
[00:35:21] Yeah.
[00:35:23] We'll run that table.
[00:35:25] Who?
[00:35:25] What, Mark?
[00:35:25] Isn't he the sheriff we want to be the DEA leader?
[00:35:28] Oh, Chad Chronister?
[00:35:30] No, we don't want Chad.
[00:35:31] We want Mark.
[00:35:32] We don't want...
[00:35:33] Oh, we hope it's Mark Lamb.
[00:35:35] Yeah.
[00:35:35] Yeah.
[00:35:36] So I'm just saying Mark could run...
[00:35:37] Mark could have his team run that table.
[00:35:39] But the point is this, Sam, they get a lot of money from the federal government.
[00:35:43] Those tables cost like $1,000 or more per table.
[00:35:47] And the federal government has hundreds of tables, not dozens, hundreds of tables every time.
[00:35:54] So I would bet that it's close to $250,000 to $500,000 every convention.
[00:36:02] And the federal government gives the NSA a lot of money.
[00:36:06] We need to talk to Cash Patel and have him yank the cash.
[00:36:09] Yeah, no kidding.
[00:36:10] Put Doge on top of that, you know?
[00:36:12] Yeah.
[00:36:13] And I'll be the first one to tell Cash about that.
[00:36:18] Because really, the NSA is not a complete waste of time because they do come out and train in modern technology and modern techniques and tactics.
[00:36:29] And they did a pretty good article recently about watching for the troubled inmate, you know, and how you make sure that, you know, he's getting the proper care and help to where he doesn't commit suicide.
[00:36:43] Because suicide inside jails is a real pandemic.
[00:36:49] And so they will do stuff like that.
[00:36:51] And I attended one of these clown shows of the NSA one time with Don.
[00:36:57] And in their evening banquet, they install the new officers.
[00:37:03] Like the president of the NSA right now is from a relatively small county in Idaho.
[00:37:10] And, of course, after he got in, I wanted to congratulate him and talk to him about the NSA.
[00:37:15] And, of course, he didn't return my call.
[00:37:18] Because, Sam, they don't want to talk constitutional stuff.
[00:37:23] They just want to talk money and funding and, you know, maintaining power.
[00:37:29] But what they do when they install the new guys, Sam, they're all dressed up in tuxedos.
[00:37:35] And they really make a big deal out of taking their oath of office.
[00:37:42] And it's the same oath, Sam.
[00:37:45] I solemnly swear.
[00:37:46] And they give their names.
[00:37:47] And I solemnly swear that I'll hold and defend, protect, and preserve the United States Constitution
[00:37:51] and bear true faith and allegiance to the same.
[00:37:54] And so help me God and all that.
[00:37:57] And they don't even come close to keeping that oath.
[00:38:00] None of them.
[00:38:00] But they really think it's a big deal to take the oath.
[00:38:04] They just don't think it's a big deal to keep the oath.
[00:38:09] That's the problem.
[00:38:14] It seems like, to me, they've become kind of a national organization.
[00:38:17] In other words, they consider themselves akin to the FBI as opposed to local county jurisdiction and responsibilities, Sheriff.
[00:38:24] Isn't it kind of like these unions that don't represent the work and file?
[00:38:27] They're just like the top of the union and they don't know anything about the worker.
[00:38:30] I mean, it seems like that kind of separation has developed.
[00:38:32] Yeah, that's it.
[00:38:34] And I've tried to be really, you know, not too critical of them, kind of like the NRA.
[00:38:42] I'm not too critical of them.
[00:38:44] But both the NRA and the NSA have been Washington, D.C.-ized big time.
[00:38:51] It's all about money and fundraising.
[00:38:55] And whoever pays the most amount of money, that's who we cater to.
[00:39:00] And that's really what the NSA is.
[00:39:03] Many of the sheriffs that you and I know are members of the NSA.
[00:39:10] Mark Lamb, he's members of all of Western State Sheriff's Association, large county sheriff's association, NSA.
[00:39:18] But a lot of these sheriffs that you and I both know will tell you that the NSA really doesn't do much.
[00:39:25] It's a good club.
[00:39:28] The main reason that they get tens of thousands of sheriffs and former sheriffs to go to their conventions is because they want to go and see everybody.
[00:39:37] And they want to rub shoulders with other sheriffs.
[00:39:40] And they want to see what's working in other counties.
[00:39:43] But as far as really that the NSA offers them some support and backup when they have a problem, either with the federal government or with laws that they believe are unconstitutional, like with the seven of us sheriffs that did it, they will have nothing to do with that.
[00:40:04] Nothing.
[00:40:05] And in fact, if you'll recall, Sam, I've said this before, but it's been a while.
[00:40:10] Now, the seven of us sheriffs that were suing in 1994, none of us were asked to ever anything by the National Sheriff's Association.
[00:40:21] Did they ever call us and say, hey, what's your suit about?
[00:40:23] What's this?
[00:40:24] How can we have you come and talk about it?
[00:40:27] Maybe give an hour class on it.
[00:40:30] That never happened, Sam.
[00:40:32] Never.
[00:40:34] All right.
[00:40:34] We'll come back.
[00:40:35] I want to talk a little bit more about this Idaho sheriff who happens to be the president of the National Sheriff's Association.
[00:40:42] Guy's name is Kieran Donahue.
[00:40:45] Canyon County, Idaho.
[00:40:46] We'll talk about him a little bit more.
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[00:43:06] We're talking about the National Sheriff's Association.
[00:43:07] The problem is they don't stand up for the oath of office really, although they make a big
[00:43:11] deal about taking the oath.
[00:43:12] They don't really stand up for things that, in my opinion, jurisdictionally where the sheriff
[00:43:17] needs support and defense and help and everything else.
[00:43:19] They don't do anything about it.
[00:43:20] By the way, Leon Wilmot, that's the sheriff we've been talking about, who says no one listens
[00:43:24] to Sheriff Richard Mack.
[00:43:25] He's board member number two on their board, and I find that fascinating.
[00:43:29] You would think a sheriff that beat Bill Clinton at the Supreme Court and a sheriff then that's
[00:43:33] been teaching these principles, you would think Wilmot would want to learn more about and make
[00:43:37] a relationship with Richard Mack.
[00:43:39] Even if they don't agree on everything, you would think he'd say, look, I'm familiar with
[00:43:42] his work.
[00:43:43] I think a lot of what he does is great.
[00:43:44] I don't agree with it at all.
[00:43:45] But he's not even familiar with it.
[00:43:46] They've never even talked.
[00:43:49] And I just find that fascinating, Sheriff.
[00:43:51] The key to that, the key to that, there's seven sheriffs from seven different states all
[00:43:58] over the country who are suing the federal government to stop the Brady Bill, which is
[00:44:04] now known as the anti-commandeering law or case.
[00:44:09] And the anti-commandeering case, they were trying to commandeer the office of sheriff nationwide
[00:44:15] for federal bidding and threatened to arrest us if we failed to do it.
[00:44:19] And the National Sheriff's Association said and did nothing.
[00:44:25] Now, you find that fascinating.
[00:44:27] The president say he's going to arrest the sheriffs.
[00:44:29] First off, the president doesn't have authority to arrest the sheriffs.
[00:44:32] Right.
[00:44:33] That's the first thing.
[00:44:34] So you would think that they would stand up on that alone.
[00:44:36] Right.
[00:44:37] Hold on.
[00:44:38] Hold on, president.
[00:44:39] You don't have the right to arrest sheriffs.
[00:44:41] They wouldn't stand on anything.
[00:44:44] Exactly.
[00:44:45] So, but they did ask the attorney general of the United States, who was defending the Brady
[00:44:55] Bill against us.
[00:44:57] They asked her to be their keynote speaker in their June conference of 1994.
[00:45:07] 1994, 1994, Janet Reno was the keynote speaker.
[00:45:10] And we, the sheriffs that they supposedly are helping, all seven of us were completely ignored.
[00:45:16] They never once said a word.
[00:45:19] To me, it's like one of the union bosses or whatever.
[00:45:21] They don't support the rank and file at all.
[00:45:24] There's a complete disconnect.
[00:45:25] And Americans need to know that.
[00:45:26] By the way, Sheriff Kieran Donahue, Canyon County, Idaho, is the current president of the NSA.
[00:45:32] So we want to kind of try to reach out to him and see what, you know, can go on with that.
[00:45:36] They have three vice presidents.
[00:45:38] I find that fascinating, Sheriff.
[00:45:39] What on earth for?
[00:45:42] Just the more they can get sheriffs involved, the more they like it.
[00:45:48] You know, so they just want to keep board members and sheriffs in line.
[00:45:53] And really, I think they're kind of in a pecking order.
[00:45:57] So, like, the next guy, the number one vice president will be the president next year.
[00:46:03] And so I left Sheriff Donahue a message.
[00:46:08] I never heard back from him.
[00:46:11] But I would hope that there would be a president someday or somebody there in the top of them who would say,
[00:46:16] you know what, why haven't we ever asked Sheriff Mack or any other sheriff that did the lawsuit to come and tell us what it was all about
[00:46:25] and have the sheriffs choose if they want to go hear about this landmark case.
[00:46:32] The only time in history, Sam, where sheriffs sued the federal government and won a case at the U.S. Supreme Court
[00:46:37] and the National Sheriffs Association wants nothing to do with it.
[00:46:43] And so my question to Sheriff Donahue would be, you know what, why don't you sit down with Sheriff Richard Mack?
[00:46:47] Maybe he's just so swampy meant to call you back and just got too busy.
[00:46:50] Why don't you keep trying him and see if we can't work on this?
[00:46:53] But I think it's a worthy cause.
[00:46:54] It's like, listen, you know, we're making a difference across the country.
[00:46:58] And I'd like to know what the president of the National Association of Sheriffs or the National Sheriffs Association,
[00:47:03] I'd like to know what they say about this border discussion.
[00:47:06] You know, you've got these two articles contrasting, Wired, Clown Show, saying the sheriffs have no ability to do anything.
[00:47:13] Wilmont literally saying, hey, it's outside of the purview of sheriffs.
[00:47:16] Who cares?
[00:47:16] Well, he's making your Supreme Court case point.
[00:47:19] Nevertheless, sheriffs have the freedom to associate and help all they can and all they will within their own jurisdictions.
[00:47:25] And I want to know what the president of the NSA says about this border issue.
[00:47:28] Is Tom Holman right?
[00:47:29] Are you going to support Tom Holman in his efforts along with Donald Trump?
[00:47:32] Are you going to go against those efforts?
[00:47:33] Are you going to remain on the sidelines for the discussion?
[00:47:36] That's a fair question for the president, right?
[00:47:39] That has the National Sheriffs Association shaking in their boots because they're not going to know what side to be on.
[00:47:46] So I would imagine that the NSA will give some tacit support because these agencies will now be under a new regime.
[00:47:56] And they want to keep that money coming.
[00:47:59] They want the FBI tables at their conference and all the donations they get from that.
[00:48:06] So the NSA right now is between a rock and a hard spot.
[00:48:10] They're not going to know which way to go.
[00:48:12] And so wherever they can keep the money flowing, that's exactly what they'll be doing.
[00:48:18] And so that is really a good point you just made there because they're not – that's going to be really difficult for them.
[00:48:29] Well, to me, the deportation question is very simple.
[00:48:32] And I'm kind of a redneck, so just – you know, I'm layman Joe.
[00:48:36] I don't have any law enforcement experience at all.
[00:48:38] But I'm kind of stupid, but follow me on this.
[00:48:40] To me, if illegal immigration is illegal, then they better as an organization be on the side of calling it what it is, illegal, first of all, and two, standing for the upholding of the law.
[00:48:51] Otherwise, what good of an organization are they at all?
[00:48:54] If they don't care about that law, what other laws doesn't the NSA care about?
[00:48:59] Are we going to just pick and choose what laws we care about?
[00:49:03] Well –
[00:49:04] Can I have a list of laws nobody cares about, please?
[00:49:06] Well, Sam, I know they pick and choose about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights all the time because they choose to say nothing.
[00:49:19] And the oath of office never is mentioned.
[00:49:24] Boy, they have this great big old celebration, ceremony, and we're going to take the oath, and their wives are standing next to them.
[00:49:34] And it is pomp and circumstance that you have never seen before.
[00:49:40] And it is amazing that they can even say we're going to have a ceremony to take the oath.
[00:49:50] Because they never train anything on the Constitution, and they don't even talk about Supreme Court cases that sheriffs have been involved in.
[00:50:00] Except for the one Wilmot talked about, which I have no clue what he's even talking about.
[00:50:05] But then again, neither does he.
[00:50:08] So I really want to reach out to Wilmot, and it would be interesting to talk with him.
[00:50:16] But Sheriff Donahue, especially in Idaho, who's now the president of the National Sheriff's Association –
[00:50:22] Now, everybody needs to know, the NSA still has an executive director, and that's a full-time job.
[00:50:29] It pays very well.
[00:50:30] I don't know exactly what it pays, but I know it pays very well.
[00:50:33] And that's usually a former sheriff somewhere in the country.
[00:50:37] It doesn't have to be, and I think there's times where it wasn't a sheriff or a former sheriff.
[00:50:45] But the Salt Lake County Sheriff used to do it.
[00:50:49] What was his name?
[00:50:53] Oh, man, he's passed away since then.
[00:50:55] But when I was first forming the National Sheriff's Association, he actually came to our event, our first one in Vegas.
[00:51:06] And I think he was more doing a reconnaissance, seeing what this is all about sort of thing.
[00:51:13] And no one from the hierarchy of the NSA has ever been there since.
[00:51:18] Kennard, Sheriff Kennard.
[00:51:22] Yes.
[00:51:23] And he was pretty popular.
[00:51:25] I mean, he was there for quite some time.
[00:51:27] And he and I actually had a relationship.
[00:51:33] And I actually went and met with him and the hierarchy of the NSA.
[00:51:42] And he actually, Sheriff Kennard was actually kind of rude.
[00:51:46] And he was trying to play to, you know, some of the board members.
[00:51:49] And there was the attorney for them was there.
[00:51:53] And, you know, we discussed my case and whatnot.
[00:51:58] And most of it was congenial.
[00:52:00] But it wasn't productive at all.
[00:52:03] Because I actually had purchased a table to be there at their conference.
[00:52:09] And they refunded my money and said I couldn't.
[00:52:12] And I was asking them about that.
[00:52:14] I said, why do you guys shut down information?
[00:52:18] I sued the federal government and won as a sheriff.
[00:52:21] And saved the office of sheriff from federal overreach.
[00:52:26] And yet you guys want nothing to do with this.
[00:52:29] Why?
[00:52:31] And I told them, I said, as I walked through your expo, it's pretty obvious.
[00:52:36] You're tied at the hip with the federal government.
[00:52:39] And I sued them and stopped.
[00:52:41] There's no way you could get behind that or you'd lose all this funding.
[00:52:45] And so.
[00:52:46] Well, and I think we need to reach out to all the board members and all the presidents and vice presidents of this organization and see if we can't rekindle discussions and talk about this a little bit more.
[00:52:56] Because going forward, we're simply supporting the federal government and saying, hey, mass immigration is the plan and we're ready to help.
[00:53:04] Are they on board with that?
[00:53:05] I want to comment.
[00:53:07] I want to comment from them.
[00:53:09] I think the press needs to get a hold of the NSA.
[00:53:12] Epic Times needs to get a hold of the NSA.
[00:53:17] Our good buddy, the reporter.
[00:53:20] What's his name?
[00:53:22] David Gilbert.
[00:53:23] No, no, no, no.
[00:53:24] From.
[00:53:25] I'm just kidding.
[00:53:27] He was.
[00:53:27] Her name is Mrs. Sanchez.
[00:53:30] Darlene Sanchez.
[00:53:31] Or Darla Sanchez.
[00:53:33] Our guy.
[00:53:35] The guy who's been with us.
[00:53:37] He was the emcee in Vegas for us.
[00:53:39] And he reports for.
[00:53:41] Yeah, that guy.
[00:53:42] Maybe I ought to start that effort, huh?
[00:53:44] Yeah, maybe so.
[00:53:45] No, but who is it?
[00:53:46] You're good.
[00:53:47] You're really good friends with him.
[00:53:49] Yeah, Wayne.
[00:53:51] Alan Root.
[00:53:52] No, no, no, no.
[00:53:53] So, he was.
[00:53:57] The guy who was the reporter for Epic Times.
[00:54:00] And he.
[00:54:01] Oh, Alex Newman.
[00:54:02] Now, Newman.
[00:54:02] I almost said Newsom.
[00:54:04] Alex Newman.
[00:54:05] He should get.
[00:54:05] Yeah, be careful.
[00:54:06] We like Newman.
[00:54:07] We don't like Newsom.
[00:54:09] Anyway.
[00:54:09] Yeah.
[00:54:09] All I can tell you is.
[00:54:11] Wayne Alan Root was the leader of one of our events.
[00:54:13] He was the emcee.
[00:54:14] And Alex Newman was the other one.
[00:54:17] I've been emceeing that event as well in the past.
[00:54:20] So, hey.
[00:54:20] We got a lot of star-studded people that can make a difference on this, too.
[00:54:23] We are going to work with the National Sheriff's Association and see if they'll work with us.
[00:54:28] We're also going to get a hold of Wilmot and see what's going on there, too.
[00:54:30] We just want to support the president, Tom Holman.
[00:54:33] And we want an appropriate approach to immigration.
[00:54:36] After all, it is the rule of law, right?
[00:54:38] Let's keep our oaths and stand with the rule of law, shall we?
[00:54:42] Sheriff Richard Mack.
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