[00:00:04] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. Welcome back ladies and gentlemen. You're back with Sheriff Mack and Sam Bushman and Alex Newman, two of the best broadcast journalists in America.
[00:00:26] And it's a pleasure for me every Tuesday to be with Sam and every time I can with, of course, one of our former MCs for CSPOA event in Las Vegas, Alex Newman. And Alex, as I mentioned before the break, I have a question for you. And you can keep this really simple.
[00:00:48] You don't need to elaborate and I know you need to run. So, one thing, President Trump, what's one thing that he should never have done? What's one thing that he still needs to do? And what's one thing that he's done really well? Oh, that's hard because there's so many in each of those categories. One thing he never should have done, start a war with Iran without permission from Congress as required by the Constitution under Article 1, Section 8. Amen to that.
[00:01:17] Or some of our sovereignty out under USMCA. So, I gave you two, but those are big ones. One thing that he still needs to do, arrest a bunch of these deep state traitors that try to terrorize Americans, overthrow our system of government, destroy our Constitution, and weaponize the government against American patriots. So, we need accountability for the branch Covidians and all of the tyrants who trampled on our rights. So, hopefully, that'll be coming. We've seen some glimmers of hope, but we got a long way to go.
[00:01:44] So, Epstein buddies, we're looking at you. And then, last but not least, what has he done really well? That's hard too because he's done a lot of things really well, but one thing that I think he's done exceedingly well that I am very familiar with because I go to the UN climate summits every year to cover him for the New American. He has absolutely crushed the climate cult. He got us out of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. He got us out of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, which is the underlying treaty on which Paris and all the other agreements rest.
[00:02:14] He went to the United Nations General Assembly and told them to their face that the UN was engaged in what he called the biggest con job in the history of humanity with this climate fraud. He reversed the Obama era endangerment finding that claimed that carbon dioxide was pollution that needed to be regulated under the Clean Air Act. He has done better than I could have done if I had been writing the policies on the climate front. So, kudos to Trump on that. And he's done many other good things as well.
[00:02:43] Last point is he's done really, really well on the pro-life issue too. I know it's not perfect and he should do more, but the fact is he's more pro-life than any president we've had in my lifetime, Alex. Yeah, absolutely. And on the education front, he got us out of UNESCO, the UN Education Agency, that is literally trying to centralize control over the indoctrination system. So, you know, I think a lot of people get trapped in the Trump derangement syndrome or, you know, anti-Trump derangement syndrome and like they can't just acknowledge he's done some really good things and he made some mistakes.
[00:03:12] He's a human being, right? So I think we've got to take a nuanced view. We don't cheerlead everything he does just because we voted for him and we don't hate everything he does just because we're crazy in the head and we've got TDS. And to Richard Mack's book, The Democrat Murderer of America, we realized the alternative would have been just disaster and we avoided that with Trump as well. And praise the Lord for that. Imagine Kamala Harris. The John Birch Society has done some tremendous things. They're going to have their conference coming up June 5th and 6th in Salt Lake City, Friday and Saturday.
[00:03:39] You're going to get your ticket to ride jbs.org slash conference slash SLC 26. But you guys are putting out a bulletin that features Sheriff Mack as a partner with the JBS, right? Yes. One of our affiliate organizations, the Law Enforcement Charitable Foundation, among other projects, it gives a lot of money to law enforcement. It supports bulletproof vests for our men in blue. We're very grateful for them.
[00:04:01] But one of the things that it does is it produces the Law Enforcement Intelligence Brief, which we mail this to every police chief and every sheriff in the entire nation of America. And it brings them the intelligence that they should be getting from their state and federal partners, but that they're not getting because, unfortunately, you know, the FBI has been so caught up with the Soviet Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League that, you know, they stopped producing useful intelligence decades ago. So we're stepping in to fill the void. And Sheriff Mack was kind enough to do a nice interview with me where we talked about constitutional sheriffs.
[00:04:31] What is a constitutional sheriff? Why should every sheriff be a constitutional sheriff? So you can get it. It's for free. You can find it online. You'll find it at lecf-inc.org. And it is the Spring 2026 Intelligence Brief. And, you know, it doesn't have to be just for police chiefs and sheriffs. You can take this down to your chief deputy. You can take it down to your local sergeant, whatever. Take it down to the guys and let them read it.
[00:04:59] It's really good information that all of our lawmen need to have. L-E-C-F-Dash-Inc.org. And you'll find the Spring 2026 Bulletin right there. You can download the thing, PDF, send it around, print it, whatever you want. God bless you, brother. We'll see you in SLC and have you back soon. Thank you, gentlemen. God bless you. Doing a phenomenal job as always. Alex Newman, ladies and gentlemen. His latest article, Technocracy Endgame, talking about how technology can be used against us.
[00:05:28] And, boy, howdy, is it being done so right now. And you've got to keep an eye on that ball, to say the least. Alex Newman is also well-known for the LibertySentinel.org. LibertySentinel.org. It is a Substack's Best in Politics award-winning newsletter. I mean, it's something. So just check that out. He always focuses on faith, family, and freedom. Something that's dear to my heart as well. Sheriff Mack, I want to go back to your book a little bit, one of your chapters, We've Gone Too Far.
[00:05:57] This is something I think we really need to talk about because it really encompasses everything we're dealing with, right? Yeah, it does. It is. We've gone too far away from the Constitution, as Alex and you have alluded to, and you and I have talked about numerous times. But it is. It's probably the biggest danger facing our country is that we think that we're smarter. AOC thinks that she's smarter than the Founding Fathers. Bernie Sanders thinks he's smarter than the Founding Fathers.
[00:06:25] Barack Obama thinks he's smarter than the Founding Fathers. And they're not. None of them. And this whole idiocy and insanity that we can make America better if we go to complete socialism and communism, that's so outside any common sense that it's just astonishing.
[00:06:54] And it's scary that people within our own government actually believe this crap. Well, the interesting thing about this in my mind is the Founding Fathers had a great reliance on God or on the great creator or deity or whatever you want to call it. Some had different views and they referred to things differently, but they all realized and understood there was a higher source than government. And they must obey that higher source.
[00:07:21] They must obey the rules or the laws of that source. And they realized that government was a necessary evil. And they realized that government had its place, but that government must be under that greater source of authority and power, that supreme authority that they kind of referred to. Even in their own different religious ways, they had different religious theocracy and beliefs and everything else, but they understood this principle. And that's what today's leaders don't understand.
[00:07:50] Not only do they think they're smarter than the Founders, but they also don't turn to and reference and really draw upon the knowledge and power that God has given us. They seem to do it without that. And that to me is the biggest problem that we face. Donald Trump is different. You know, he's not perfect. Some say he's a baby Christian. Some say he's got Jewish leanings. I don't know. Here's what I do know. He does end his speeches with, you know,
[00:08:17] in God we trust or thank God or, you know, turn to God. He mentions God more than other presidents have for sure. And he also, in my mind, does his best to really talk about and mention religion and mention this higher source. He even talks about his, you know, the assassinations that he's, or attempts, I should say, that he's endured, that, you know, God has saved him. And I do believe that. I believe he's on this earth because God has saved him. And so this constant reference to God
[00:08:47] needs to permeate our society. That'll prevent us from going too far, right? Yeah. And Sam, Alex's answers to my three questions were excellent. Yes, sir. Couldn't agree more. Especially what President Trump has done well. Because what he did when he stood before the United Nations and accused them of subterfuge and dishonesty and corruption. He wasn't accused though.
[00:09:16] He brought the proof too. Oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And to tell that to the United Nations that you're UNESCO and UNICEF and all these other programs and, oh, and what did he do? He got us out of WHO. And where did he learn to do that? Because of the COVID-19 crap that came from the WHO and the United Nations. God bless President Trump for all of that. I agree. A hundred percent. Yeah.
[00:09:44] You know, so Trump's certainly not all bad. It's very easy for us, and I'm guilty of it too, to get frustrated with the lack of progress on certain things and then to kind of boil that down into Trump's responsible. Remember, he's only one man. And yes, he's the president, so he's got a lot more influence than, say, you or I would. But he's still one person. And you've got a whole deep state that's been deeply embedded and ingrained in our society for well over a hundred years that has been really doing its very best to subvert everything that we hold dear.
[00:10:15] And one man, you know, on the stage, very short term, if you will, four or five whatever years. I mean, how much can he really do? And so I think we need to realize that even the many critics of Trump acknowledge policies and outcomes that they believe are super successful. And people point to these things. When we get back from the break, I want to highlight a couple of them. And I want to contrast that with we've gone too far because Trump's doing his best to make sure we don't go too far in many ways. And we want to highlight that too.
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[00:11:42] in my church. My hand shook. My heart pounded. I thought to myself, I can't do this. But somehow I did. And because I wanted to talk about things that were important, I persisted. I chided my church as a senior in high school for not seeming to care about the not yet born, for looking the other way and for not taking a stand on life. I will be in earnest. I will not equivocate. And I will not excuse. I will not retreat an inch.
[00:12:12] And I will be heard. One thing I promise you, I will always take a stand for life. Sheriff Mack, standing tall, still answering freedom's call. All right, back with you live, ladies and gentlemen. Yes, Sheriff Mack is in the house and he's made the statement, we've gone too far. That's a chapter in his book.
[00:12:42] The new book available now, The Democrat Murder of America. Yes, demagoguery in the first degree. Yeah, he wrote the book with Daniel Perkins. Well-known both. Great authors teaming up because they haven't even had similar careers. Their careers are totally different. But they came together and said, you know what? We agree on these things and we've got to really realize it's the principles that the Democrats are espousing. This idea of promoting violence,
[00:13:11] this idea of, you know, just jettisoning all things that are constitutional, all things that are God, family, and country and replacing those things with things that are just godless and that relate to murder physically, relate to violence universally, related to just destroying people because you don't agree with them, et cetera, et cetera. If you're not, you know, with them, then you're against them kind of an idea. No middle ground, no logic. No, we can disagree to, or we can agree to disagree agreeably.
[00:13:40] None of that kind of stuff. Just out of control, wanton mayhem in the country, ladies and gentlemen, is what you've seen from the Democrat Party from slavery right on through. And so check out the book murderofamerica.com. But Sheriff, I want to talk about some of the good things Trump has done. He has highlighted a lot of this violence and said, hey, we reject this. And even when he said, in Charlottesville, for example, he said, hey, you know what? There's bad guys on both sides, left and right. And there's good people on both sides on left and right. And they literally attacked him
[00:14:09] for a statement like that. Of course. Yeah. And Sam, that's the thing that we're trying to bring out in the book is that there are some good people in the Democrat Party still. Amen. We want them to come, we want them, one, to recognize what we put in the book about the dangers of where the Democrat Party is going and the dangerous demagoguery
[00:14:38] of the Democrat Party and that these people, many millions in the Democrat Party are falling victim to this demagoguery and they're being brainwashed by the Democrat Party and they'll just do whatever the Democrat Party says. Oh, we got to vote for them. Oh, I'm going to vote for them. Yeah. Oh, like this article that just came out this morning, Sam. This person, in fact, I believe it's a journalist. I donated to Democrats. I voted for Mayor Bass before and I'm going to vote
[00:15:08] for her again. But we're really glad. Oh, what's his name? Spencer Platt that's running for mayor in Los Angeles? Yes. Anyway, I should have had his name ready to go, but they're actually admitting that it's wonderful what he's running on because he's waking up the Democrat Party. I'm not going to vote for him because he's got the better ideas. I still have to vote Democrat
[00:15:37] because that's who I am, but I'm really glad that he straightened out the Democrat Party. Then why aren't you voting for him? That's the idiocy that we're dealing with here, Sam. And so, yes. That's where party becomes more important than people and people become more important than principles and that's where we've got to reject both of those notions. It isn't about the party. It isn't about rock stars or special people or people that look good and smell good and feel good, whatever. It's about really the principles
[00:16:04] that can protect America, protect our way of life and our liberties. And if we take those principles away and talk about people and parties, we have no bearing. We have no moral compass anymore, Sheriff. I want to be interviewed by that guy that did that article. I'm still going to vote for him. The Democrats are wrong, but I'm still going to vote for him because, well, you know, we're grateful that the Republican is doing a great job
[00:16:33] of helping the Democrats see the errors of their ways. The best way to do that, sir, is to not vote for them anymore. And that is the solution we want to take. We want to meet Democrats in the middle as our brothers and sisters and fellow Americans and solve the problems that we're faced with today. And he's leaning that way. He's coming. He's coming around. He's actually seeing the truth. He just can't make that final step to leave a blow.
[00:17:03] But he can get there. And that's why we've got to make it smart to say let's just jettison the party. The party's over. Let's focus on principles that make America great. Some, in my mind, I don't know if you call them vanilla. Some call them rhinos. Some call them center Republicans. If they can come to the table and realize, too, it isn't about the Democrats. It's about the error of their ways. And many Republicans are guilty of this, too. Oh, yeah. And you alluded to it just a minute ago, too, about going too far. And the book points this out. And I think one of the
[00:17:32] biggest signs of us or the Democrats going too far is Trump derangement syndrome. And it's actually, we quote some psychiatrists who actually say it's real. Oh, it is real. That syndrome is real. And President Trump is the only president in history who has had a mental disorder named after him. You're right about that. And now we've got to the point, too, where there's Trump defenders, too.
[00:18:01] And anything you do to mention truth, like, for example, Alex just said, hey, you know, we should not have gone to war without approval from Congress. I mean, that's a factual constitutional reality. The problem is there's those who are pro-Trump so much to where if you say anything like that, you're the enemy, too. And we've got to avoid both extremes. Yeah, I think so. And I've been one that's looked at that and have said, if you have to deal with this Congress, what do you do? Do you take care of business?
[00:18:31] Do you do what we absolutely have an emergency to do? Or do you try to follow the law? And I think Trump has been dealt a horrible hand in dealing with this most inept and corrupt Congress. There's no question. And my main point downstream from that is, hey, whether you agree that Trump needs to do this or not isn't really the point. The point is that we don't need to attack each other because whether we agree on every point or not, the fact is, you know what? We agree that Trump's done a lot of good. He's done some
[00:19:00] concerning things. And let's stand together for the right things the best we can. And most importantly, let's stop the extreme among us, whether they be the whacked out Democrats that are way extreme or the Republicans that are way extreme, whether it's left, right, whether it's conservative, liberal, whatever words you want to use. The extremes are what we've got to avoid and the Constitution is what we've got to follow. You put that in place and hey, we can agree to disagree. That's okay. Yeah. And Sam, we bring that out too, especially in the epilogue.
[00:19:31] And I'm totally ready to stand hand in hand with the NAACP, who I don't believe has done anything for civil rights in quite some time. But I believe that we are, the CSPOA, is much stronger on civil rights than the NAACP is. I would love to meet with them and say, what have we done? We have forgotten our basics. We have forgotten our foundation and we've forgotten that we're all here to protect civil rights
[00:20:00] instead of you, NCAA, NAACP, sorry, the NCAA too, but that we have forgotten our way and we have forgotten why we're here and that's to protect the civil rights of all people and we stand together and do that now. Let's do it. Amen to that. Quick story before the end of the hour, Tulsi Gabbard steps down as intelligence director.
[00:20:30] They say a mid-personal crisis. She's caring for her ailing husband. I guess he's very sick, diagnosed with rare bone cancer and her resignation brings an end to a challenging 10-year marked by her advocacy for restrained policies within the administration. So, I don't know where this all goes but it's sad that we're losing her, Sheriff. And she is a Democrat by the way
[00:20:59] but yet we agree with her on a lot of things, right? Yeah, it is and I've never heard her make a stand on abortion but I'm afraid to hear it because I really agree with her on so many different issues and I believe she's been a great leader and I'm sorry to see her go. Yes, and her departure was marked you know, she had strategic disagreements over the war too. She was pretty much saying, hey, we shouldn't go
[00:21:29] and her successor remains undecided at the administration right now. Maybe we ought to have Sheriff Mack go there. You could deal with the you know, director of national intelligence spot, couldn't you, Sheriff? Yeah, I would love to try and I would love to be a part of that. I tried to be the ambassador to El Salvador and it never got any traction even though I talked to several people in Washington, D.C. who I know
[00:21:58] and I don't know, maybe they said they were going to bring that up to Trump. I don't know if they ever really did but if there's any way I could help, I would be proud to do so. And our prayers are with Tulsi and her husband. I mean, that's a tough deal to deal with and stuff. And a lot of times people leave and they say I got to be with my family as an excuse. Certainly there was some issues with Trump and Tulsi. They weren't on the same page on everything. But I think they got along a lot better than
[00:22:28] the mainstream press is mentioning. I think she did very well. She wasn't a loose cannon in the administration at all. I think she stood tall for what she believed. But I do really in this case, I think it's legitimate that she really needs to go take care of him. And I commend her for putting that above her career too, Sheriff. Yeah, and I totally trusted her. She came across very well. She was very professional in her demeanor.
[00:22:58] And she was very articulate. And I think she was a sharp lady all the way around. And she served in the military before. She served in Congress before. And she came back and said, hey, you know, I'm leaving the Democrat Party. That's what we're after in the book. I don't care if you quit the party. I care if you quit being part of the damage that the Democrat Party is doing to America. We all need to leave that. I don't care what you call yourself. In fact,
[00:23:28] I believe we need a national referendum of voters signing a petition to get rid of the party system. The party system is horrible to America. Couldn't agree more. By the way, I think it was the pinnacle of Tulsi Gabbard's career is when she got her photo taken with me, Sheriff. Don't you think? Oh, heck yeah, that's been everywhere. I'm just kidding, ladies and gentlemen. But anyway, our prayers are with her and her family. Our prayers are with Donald Trump as president of the United States as states as well, ladies and
[00:23:57] gentlemen. I'm the first one to admit when I don't agree with him on something, I highlight why and what I think is the case because you need to think about it for yourselves. We don't need to be never Trumpers and we don't need to be always Trumpers, but we need to be candid about where we stand and we need to be agreeable when we disagree. And most importantly, we need to pray for those who have the ability to improve America as we wait for the Savior to return. Sheriff Mack, thank you, sir. You're welcome, Sam. Thanks for having me. Murderofamerica.com, his website for his book, become a member
[00:24:27] of the Constitutional Sheriff's Posse today, cspwa.org, and you can see him June 5th and 6th in Salt Lake City, jbs.org slash conference slash slc26, and you know what? I'd love to see you there. Alex Newman will be there and more. God save our republic.