Radio Show Hour 1 – 06/18/2024

[00:00:12] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West. You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show. All right. Happy to have you along, my fellow Americans. Sam Bushman Live on your radio. Hard hitting news that I refuse to use. No doubt starts now.

[00:00:35] This, my fellow Americans, is the broadcast for June 18th and the year of our Lord, 2024. This is our one of two. The goal always to protect life, liberty and property, to promote God, family and country through so on your radio in the traditions of our founding fathers.

[00:00:51] Yes, indeed, we use the blueprint for liberty, the Supreme Law, the land, the Constitution for the United States of America as our guide. We reject revolution unless it's Jesus revolution. Then we're in because we follow the Prince of Peace.

[00:01:02] And man, there's so much to talk about. So little time. First off, the good sheriff is with me. Sheriff Mack. Welcome, sir. Thank you very much, Sam. It's great to be with you this beautiful Tuesday morning. And by way of explanation, first, we are not on TV today.

[00:01:17] Bridie on making some internal changes. We're waiting to see exactly what that looks like. In the meantime, we thought we'd just have the sheriff Mack show join Liberty Roundtable Live since it was simulcast anyway. We'll continue with the radio shows for the time being every Tuesday.

[00:01:34] Just like we always have. Just like we always have. It's on bright on radio. It's on Liberty News Radio. It's on loving Liberty Radio Networks. So we still have a lot of affiliates. Brighton is still helping out with much of that.

[00:01:47] And we're just kind of waiting to see what's going to happen there. We might do TV in its place. We might do shorts. Anyway, we're working on exactly. What that looks like, ladies and gentlemen, so please be patient with us for that, but I thought that it deserved

[00:02:03] an explanation at least. Right. And there should be some kind of an explanation for people to understand what's happening, and so we're not gone. We're not failing. We're not going away. None of that. None of that's happening.

[00:02:16] It's just a kind of a change of how the shows are produced and by whom and where and what. And in the meantime, radio is the mainstay. I've got two radio studios, one of them partners in Florida. The other one is one that I own.

[00:02:27] So we've got radio nailed down to the wall. But when it comes to video, it's like, hey, there's a lot of extra work that it takes to do that. It takes a bigger staff and more money. And how are we going to navigate through all that

[00:02:37] in productive ways? That's what we're working on. Anyway, meantime, though, do you have a quote for us today, Sheriff? Sam, I did not plan on having a quote. And then when I got up, which I've already been up an hour,

[00:02:57] I kept wondering for one and I kept wanting one. And the one that kept coming to my mind was the one that Michael Peruca always did. And that is from Thomas Payne, a long habit of not thinking a thing to be wrong

[00:03:20] gives it a superficial appearance of being right. And I think that's so much where we are with our political correctness and the political corruption and destruction of America and our Constitution. And I think that Thomas Payne hit it right on the head

[00:03:40] on numerous points, but especially that one. I love that quote and I love the presentation that Michael Peruca did about it. Yeah, and then Michael Peruca always says, hey, at the start of my speech, I'm going to give you the end in case

[00:03:53] something happens to be along the way, then at least you got it. And then he basically tells you the punch line and then he builds in the case for the punch line. Brilliant, brilliant speaker, dear friend. But the problem is they call him a racist

[00:04:05] and that's what I want to talk about today. Not really racism, but the abuse, the wrong treatment that we're all getting and this guilt by association kind of a lie and meltdown that we're having. To join us today, we have Casey Whalen, dear friend, investigative journalist, videographer.

[00:04:23] He's the proprietor of North Idaho Exposed. You can learn about his stuff. CaseyWhalen.substack.com. Welcome Casey. Thank you so much for having me on again today, Mac, appreciate it, or Sam, appreciate it. It's both of us, you're right. Welcome anyways, there you go.

[00:04:44] And Dan Smiglio, anyway, how you say Dan S is what I'm going to say. Dan, welcome. Hello everybody, good morning and thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it. You're very welcome. And Dan is a champion of grassroots activism and unyielding advocate for justice.

[00:05:05] Voiceofthepeopleusa.org is the best site for him. Voice of the People USA. Now, Dan is a very interesting gentleman because he is in radio too, right Dan? That is correct sir. I've been in radio since 2008 on the grassroots level, started in activism in 2007. All right.

[00:05:31] Now you guys both went to Detroit last weekend. Detroit was the scene of, I don't even know what the heck you call it. You got conservatives everywhere, but yet you got fractions within the conservative movement. You got the Donald Trump guys,

[00:05:48] you got the, I don't know what guys. You've got the Steve Bannon's, you've got the Donald Trump's, you've got the TPUSA's Charlie Kirk, you've got Nick Fuentes and everybody, literally ascending, descending I guess is the idea on Detroit. Why the heck would they pick a location

[00:06:08] first like that Casey? Isn't that just a bastion of absolute liberalism? And I mean, it seems like not a good place to even go Casey. Yeah, there was an issue with Turing Point USA trying to find a venue for the event.

[00:06:23] So they ultimately ended up having it in Detroit. A lot of places they checked, they just couldn't secure a location. So they ironically had it at this location, I believe it used to be known as the TSC or the TCF Center.

[00:06:39] And that's where a lot of the election fraud happened in 2020 and Jack Vesobia kind of made a point of that at the event that was a unique reason for having the event at this convention center was to talk about election fraud

[00:06:51] and had a lot of really great speakers at this event. All right now, ladies and gentlemen, that's TPUSA, that's Turning Point Charlie Kirk's organization that had a huge event. We're gonna get into the details of that and the speakers list and kind of all that happened there

[00:07:07] but the AFPAC had an event too and that's the America First kind of pack. They had a conference in Detroit. It first, I don't know, the America First Political Action Conference in Detroit is led by Nick Fuentes, Sheriff Mike, you know much about Nick? I really don't Sam.

[00:07:29] All right, well Nick is considered a big time racist. They say he's a hater. He battles with Charlie Kirk over Israel. Charlie Kirk is just super pro-Israel and Nick basically says, hey, I'm a Christian but we just can't have slaughter everywhere.

[00:07:49] I'm not here to pick sides between Nick and Charlie Kirk or any of these people but what's interesting about this is Nick has kind of made his claim to fame. He's about 25 years old. He's a good speaker. They claim he's a racist though.

[00:08:01] They claim and he says that he likes Hitler and all this kind of weird stuff. The reason that I bring all that up though is he follows the TPUSA people around whenever they have an event somewhere, Nick has an event in the same town

[00:08:15] and he kind of shadows and mocks Turning Point USA and you know, he's kind of a give them grief man. Now remember Nick Fuentes and Yee or whatever you wanna call him, Yee or you know, Kanye West or whatever.

[00:08:30] They got to eat dinner with Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago and there became a big old huge deal about you know, Nick Fuentes, Kanye West meeting with Trump and how hey, Trump's courting white supremacists and all this kind of stuff.

[00:08:47] Anyway, my goal is not to get into the racism side of this but you guys were really at both events, right Dan? Correct, well I was at the Turning Point event. You know, Casey actually went to both events so he managed to get out.

[00:09:02] I'm guilty of not even knowing what's going on until Casey told me and then Casey went and shot some awesome videos. All right, so Casey tell me about the Fuentes event because they were having an event, they're getting ready to set up their stage

[00:09:13] on Friday at their event. They had a contract they claim. While they were putting the stage up and getting everything ready, the cops came, right? Well, it's a bit complicated. There's essentially, this was happening at a place called I believe the Russell Industrial Complex

[00:09:29] and it was a former warehouse that was turned into a music venue essentially so they had invested, they had millions of dollars of equipment. It was a million dollars worth of equipment at this event. They planned it for the last two years if there was not an app,

[00:09:43] this was an app hack is an annual event and this was the fourth event in the fourth year and so they were preparing the event apparently with around 24 hours before the event, they were notified that they were not allowed to have the event

[00:10:01] and so they tried to coordinate with the owners who ultimately just decided that they had to leave after they found out that the app hack was holding the event at this location from what I understand. And if you want more details from Nick himself,

[00:10:16] you can go to cozy.tv. He did a live stream late last night and went into a lot of detail but essentially they were planning their events. They had a lot of equipment. They had like 100 employees that were helping, unionized employees actually that were helping put this together

[00:10:34] and they were scrambling at the last minute to call other venues and locations to try to find a plan B. This event, if you go to the website, you can see the tickets were $150. It's sort of like a Lincoln Day dinner

[00:10:50] where you have a dinner and you have a bunch of speakers and so it was just a good event. There's a bunch of young kids there, of course, that are part of the America First group and they just weren't allowed to have it.

[00:11:03] So ultimately Friday on June 14th, Nick went to try to get into the Turning Point USA event at the Huntington Place. All right, let's back up before we get to the Turning Point USA event. So from what I understand, they were putting up the stage,

[00:11:17] everybody was working on it. The cops were called and the cops came and then they basically said, hey, you're not allowed to have your event. They said, why are the cops here? Well, so you guys don't get all violent and crazy. Bottom line is contractually,

[00:11:28] Nick says, I have a contract to hold this event and the hotel says, yeah, but your contract was based on a false premise. You didn't let us know that you were this evil white supremacist, hater kind of guy therefore we just can't host a meeting like that.

[00:11:45] I don't know if I could say that for certain. I just know that they were not allowed to have it there and so they were basically allowed to take their equipment. Otherwise outside of that, they would be trespassed. But what I understand,

[00:11:58] they still were not able to get all their equipment. So at this point, they're planning an APAC four at the end of the year. Nick said that last night on the stream and so trying to salvage it, but ultimately I would say this was a win for APAC

[00:12:15] for the America First group because they had an organic protest on Saturday, June 15th outside of the convention center. We can talk more about that. Yeah, we'll get to that too coming up here in a minute. Now all I know is there was some contractual negotiations.

[00:12:29] Nick had a contract and so he's like, we have the right to be here. They're claiming that he wasn't honest in the contract and therefore there's some problems. Now whether they say, we can't have you here, you're a white supremacist or not, I don't know about that part.

[00:12:41] I just know this, somehow they canceled it and claimed that they didn't know who he was and their statements are we can't host a person like you with views like yours, kind of a statement. So before we leave this, then Nick and crew,

[00:12:55] I guess there was two different kinds of tickets. There was the masses ticket and everybody in that basically got screwed and Nick's like, hey, we'll try to refund your money. We'll see what we can do. There were some VIP people that they wanted to still do something for

[00:13:08] and they hunted for a location and finally found a bar, right? Right. That was a Saturday evening after they had amassed the protest essentially or call out Turning Point USA outside the convention center. So Saturday evening they had this. They basically canceled their event. They canceled their event,

[00:13:28] went to Turning Point USA. Then after that, they tried to have an event of their own. They had a bar that would accept them. So they went in there. Nick was able to give some speeches and different things. But really ultimately what happened

[00:13:38] is it kind of turned into a brawl and people got all beat up and kind of ejected, right? Right, right. There was kind of an altercation between a security guard and another gentleman that's part of the American First Foundation. His name is Casey at the moment.

[00:13:52] But the security guard, there's a video of this and the security guard actually in this video, you can see him cocking a punch like he's jumping in the air and he does like a Superman punch and punches this kid in the mouth and chips his tooth.

[00:14:07] So he had to have some emergency dentistry done. And there's obviously gonna probably be a lawsuit as far as that is concerned. But yeah, they turned it to an altercation essentially between American First and some of these security guards at this venue. So ultimately though,

[00:14:24] the American First camp is in high spirits and they claim this is a win for them. It cost a lot of notoriety and we'll talk more about the protest here in a minute. Yeah, it's a debate when we say it's a win.

[00:14:37] I wanna get into that Sheriff Mac. So that's what happened to Nick and crew. And the problem is if I even talk about this, then I'm supposedly Nick's buddy and I'm a racist too. It isn't true. I'm merely covering the who, what, when, where, why

[00:14:51] to the best of my ability of what happened last weekend. And what happened last weekend is Turning Point USA had a hard time finding a venue all across the country. And now Nick got kicked out of a venue last minute leaving tons of people with,

[00:15:05] I don't even know how much money, tens of thousands of dollars at the least, literally holding the bag. People traveled from far away and had plane tickets and hotels and all this kind of stuff and it got canceled at the last minute.

[00:15:17] So in a way it's a win from a publicity point of view possibly, but it's really, really bad in America because both of these groups are conservatives. Both of these groups struggling to find menus and literally getting kicked out at the last minute.

[00:15:30] Now, the reason that I bring this up Sheriff Mac to you is as you know, they tried to shut down our event to Sheriff Mac. We're seeing a pattern here. Yeah, Sam, it's been a long haul on this and while you were talking about this,

[00:15:49] I looked up Nick Quintus because seriously I've never heard of him. Yeah, you know him for sure. Yeah, and so I would look him up and I said, no, I see his picture here. He's quite young so he's obviously not my generation. He's 25 years old.

[00:16:08] Yeah, I'm obviously old enough to be his great grandpa. Not quite but close. But the thing of it is Sam, the things they've attacked you for that you're a racist because you have people on your show who have white supremacy ideals or ideas or notions. Viewpoints, whatever.

[00:16:34] And they believe, whatever they believe, that the white race needs to be preserved. Some of those people just believe that that my race needs to be preserved. And I'm one of those people. I don't get into that, I really care. But the thing is-

[00:16:51] Yeah, I'm one of those people. I think all races need to be carried on and preserved, right? Well, yeah. And there's a biblical backing of that. But the thing of it is he says panic. His name is Fuentes. And if you look at him-

[00:17:09] Well, he's Mexican descent by the way. But well, he sure has a name that denotes that. And so where does a Mexican or a Hispanic of Mexican descent, where does he get off? Being a white supremacist if that is true. That's not exactly what he claims though.

[00:17:32] They just say he has these, they say that he has these bigoted views and he loves Hitler is where they try to go with that. And some of that may be true. He tries to point out some of the good parts of Hitler.

[00:17:43] And I don't think Hitler's a good guy, but I saw a video last night where he was literally pressed on that. And he's like, Hitler's a bad guy, but so are all these other people. How do we pretend that Hitler's the worst guy

[00:17:53] on the planet and these other guys are fine? So when you hear him in isolated points, he makes more sense than you hear all kinds of clips of what he does. But here's the point to me, it's not really about Nick.

[00:18:05] It's about whether we agree with Nick or not. Doesn't he have the right to say and think and believe and hold a conference as he thinks best? Well now when there's violence, that's another matter. But he got literally a contract at a peaceful event

[00:18:18] and tried to set up something whether we agree with his views, we should defend his right to have the event. Don't you think Casey? Of course. Oh, absolutely. It's America. So that's the point I'm getting at is, you know what, I don't even know Nick personally.

[00:18:34] Okay, I've never met him. I agree he's not even of my generation. I mean, I've got kids older than he is for that matter. So I mean, I don't know how to respond to this except to say I defend his right to have an event first of all.

[00:18:46] And this idea that he got kicked out even though he had a contract because wow, he gave false premise. Now maybe you didn't give all the details of exactly who you were contractually because you're trying to protect the hotel

[00:18:59] from the world descending on it and shutting it down. I mean, after what happened to me, I'm so grateful that the hotel owner stood with me. But if I had an event somewhere else, I would almost want my event to be booked under somebody else's name

[00:19:13] so it doesn't get shut down before it ever even gets started Sheriff Mac. I mean, I'm kind of trying to protect the hotel not necessarily create a lie. I'm just trying to create this, prevent the scrutiny before it ever even gets off the ground, right?

[00:19:25] Is there anything really wrong with that? Well, I mean, Sam, we've done that before. Right, that's what I mean. The CSPOA has been, you know, it is the CSPOA is a business that I formed, that I own and sometimes I've had you book hotels and you're the organizer.

[00:19:48] It was never to hide who I am. I mean, there's nothing about me that's racist or bigoted. Except for that your wife. I'm willing to help that. Well, my wife was too young to know better, you know? She was only 17 when we got married.

[00:20:06] You know, I mostly raised her, you know, but you know, Sam, we keep bouncing around this. The race card is used in this country. It totally is, but it's not bogus in one sense because it is real. It's used to foment hate and discontent in this country

[00:20:34] to help the communist destruction of America gain momentum and they use the race card for that. And so I have written in my book, my first book for my Cold Dead Fingers, how that is done. And the NAACP and Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson

[00:20:55] and all these others that use it because they make money off of this. If they can convince people that they are downtrodden and that people hate them and that the people are racist because of their color, then it really increases just like with Southern Poverty Law Center

[00:21:14] doing it with the Jewish community and others, that it helps them raise money. And that part is bogus. Yeah, go ahead. Dan, you wanna chime in on this one, Dan? I wanna, sure, and I thank you. And first off, I've never in all these years

[00:21:37] gotten to be on the same show as Sheriff Mack. So I just wanna say, sir, thank you for your service to this country and you're a hero. And I don't look up to many, but you are one that I most definitely do.

[00:21:48] So it's an honor to even share the airwaves with you for a short time and thank you for everything. I got to work with Sheriff Joe Arpaio many, many moons ago and do a lot of work with him, but I've always been a fan of yours.

[00:22:02] And I wanna say that- Well, thank you so much. No, God bless you and I appreciate you so much. And the race card, unless you come out and say, and I've confronted this for so many years, I feel like the old man in the room now.

[00:22:16] And when they used a race card, unless you've come out specifically and said that I am opposed to this and I hate these people for who they are, they're prejudging. And to prejudge is to be prejudiced. So you throw it back in their face, you shut them down,

[00:22:29] then they stumble and mumble like a bunch of idiots because it's all they have. It's a sign of weakness. I am a free speech absolutist. I am somebody, I don't have time to be racist. I'm an equal opportunity hater, but at the same time, I love God,

[00:22:44] I love freedom, I love our freedoms. And I think everybody has the right to be heard and it's up to the public to determine whether or not they're a piece of trash that I want nothing to do with them. So when they try to shut down any event,

[00:22:59] when they try to shut down any event, I've encountered this since 2007. I come anyway and I come harder. And I show up in droves and I don't care what you do or how you do it, I'm gonna execute my constitutional God given rights

[00:23:12] that I fought for, that you fought for, that we all fight to protect and preserve whether they like it or not. With regards to Nick Fuentes, I think you should have been able to have his event. I'm happy that at least he took it to the streets

[00:23:27] and didn't back down so many people when they get shut down. They just take it online and this day and age, again, I'm 41 but I feel like much older when I say this, they tend to go cry online. Don't cry, get active, take to the streets,

[00:23:42] shut it down and that's what you do. You could be peaceful, but you could be loud and allow nobody to censor you. And the most important thing is never censor yourself. Self-censorship is the worst thing that this world has ever known

[00:23:56] and never back down in the face of adversity. And with very large- We're gonna take a quick break. With Fuentes. Oh, sorry. We're gonna take a quick break. Sorry, Dan. When we come back though, I wanna go to Casey Whelan because Nick gave a speech

[00:24:09] and the speech he gave, he beat up on those who promote Israel and he said Israel's bad Palestine's getting slaughtered and both of the sides of that have correct. When they literally slaughter everybody, I'm against it. I'm a peace activist. I'm against unjust, unconstitutional,

[00:24:27] immoral war on both sides. So I don't pick a side in that. I'm an equal opportunity realist on that. But the reason I bring this up is Nick gave his speech and when he did, he even said, pray for Turning Point USA, pray for all these people.

[00:24:40] I love them, we follow Christ and stuff like this. When we get back, we'll have Casey reply to that a little bit. Then we'll move into what happening at Turning Point USA and more on your radio. Proclaiming Liberty across the land. You're listening to Liberty News Radio.

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[00:30:15] also Dan S is what I'm gonna call him. And Dan, he's known I guess as the, what do they call this, the king of controversy? So we're talking about controversy today ladies and gentlemen. But Nick Fuentes though, as far as I can tell he got literally

[00:30:33] kicked out of everywhere. Even Turning Point USA wouldn't even let him attend their event. But he gave a pretty good speech in my mind now, I'm not really for him trashing the Jews and promoting Palestine and all that kind of stuff.

[00:30:47] The way I see it is when both of them are killing people needlessly, they're wrong and they gotta stop. And we want peace for everyone, that's where I stand as I follow the Prince of Peace and I'm not picking sides in those unholy godless wars

[00:31:00] that basically filthy lucre for murder kind of a thing. The military industrial complex is out of control, Americans back at all and then they pick sides internally, it's insane. We gotta stop all these unconstitutional, unjust, immoral wars. I digress Casey, except to say,

[00:31:16] I mean Nick Fuentes was even saying pray for Charlie Kirk, pray for Turning Point USA, pray for pro-life, pray for America, pray that we get out of wars and so you can say he's got some views that are unsavory but what's wrong with a message like that?

[00:31:33] Yeah it was really wholesome, it was really amazing to be there honestly. I was actually up in my hotel room and I noticed a large group of people, I was right across the street from the convention center so I could see the convention center

[00:31:46] and up in my room and I happened to see this large group of people start to go to the corner across the street from the convention center and they're wearing blue hats, the America First hats, younger kids. So I grabbed my camera, went downstairs,

[00:32:00] I assumed it was Nick's group and it was and they were out front giving speeches actually some of the people there and so for about 45 minutes they were giving speeches, they were shouting Christ is King down with Israel, they had a 15, 20 minute rosary that they were doing.

[00:32:22] This was all things I filmed that I'll be putting out on my Twitter soon which is at Casey underscore Waylon on Twitter. You can actually go there now and see the full speech that Nick Quintez gave on Saturday June 15th. He was actually at the hotel,

[00:32:38] he happened to show up there, people were shouting Nick over and over again and Nick made his way down there. It was all in prop two, organic basically from what I understand. There was a small group of people initially and it swelled to about over 500 people I'd say,

[00:32:55] there were a lot of people showed up. People from the Turning Point USA event across the street started to line the street across from the protest and then some of them came over and joined Nick's group actually and it was amazing, it was very moving. Honestly-

[00:33:13] There was no violence at that point? No, they were promoting Christ and love and like in Nick's speech he was promoting that we have to love our neighbor and it's a very difficult thing to do and like he said, he wanted to pray for Turning Point USA

[00:33:30] and so a lot of the messaging was very positive and during the rosary before Nick showed up, I remember looking at filming people and seeing that so many people were crying, they're tearing up. It was very emotional, very, God was there in a way and it was amazing.

[00:33:47] So I honestly kind of wanted to convert to Catholicism a little bit there. It was very moving, it was epic in a way. And so- Yeah and that's why I'm bringing this up because nobody will give this side of the story,

[00:34:03] the mainstream press just telling you he's a racist, he's a Hitler lover, he's a hater, he's in a fight with everybody, it was a brawl, people got their teeth knocked out, he got kicked out of everywhere, it was a horrible weekend

[00:34:14] and that's only the mainstream press side of the story. That's only the hotels that kicked him out and sadly he's praying for Turning USA, or I'm sorry, praying for the Turning Point USA people, he's praying for them with a group of over 500.

[00:34:29] A lot of the people that at Turning Point USA joined the crowd, he's praying for them and then they wouldn't even let him attend. I'm not talking about speaker and thing else, they wouldn't even let him attend their event, would they?

[00:34:42] That's correct and so during his speech though, last night during Mick Quintez's live stream when he was talking about this, he referred to his speech as his Mussolini speech quite a few times during the live stream which is kind of funny. But anyways it was very, very moving

[00:34:59] and people can go see that on my Twitter, kcunderscorewhalen and get a full kind of feel for it, but to actually be there was very moving. I don't know if Dan has to check out any of that, he can talk about that, but it was really-

[00:35:14] Dan did you see any of the open air speeches that were peaceful? Yeah, yeah, no I definitely did and again the message was right and just and obviously it's always refreshing to hear and it's good to hear

[00:35:29] and I think like I said in the face of it all, you have to kind of be above the fray and they did a good job at that. So for that aspect, I definitely support it and it was powerful, I'll give it that

[00:35:45] and I don't keep a ton of praise but like I said, I applaud not backing down and when I say I don't keep a ton of praise, it's not because I'm either for or against. I question any group or anybody in their mid-twenties

[00:35:59] that has millions of dollars at their disposal and the whole event, that's where I go but that's neither here nor there. So I'm not saying yay or nay but it's something that me being an activist for so long, I'm immediately gonna flag in question on either side

[00:36:16] but at least the speeches were strong and the prayer was strong and belief in God was strong and that's always paramount to me. Now Sheriff Mack, two points on this, number one, Nick Fuentes in America First Group has a lot of money.

[00:36:33] Turning Point USA has a lot of money. Each event that they're planning must've cost 500 grand or some crazy number to even make happen. I'm talking Rolling Stone type stages and stuff for these people. They're not like a simple conference like we do. These people are elaborate

[00:36:50] and have all kinds of imagery and video and entertainment value to what they do and everything. You're talking about big money between both of these groups, both descending on Detroit and they had virtually a melee weekend in the mainstream press just basically dividing the conservatives.

[00:37:08] Is there a whole reason that I'm focusing on this and the fact that hey, it starts with Nick getting kicked out of everywhere. How long till it's me or you Sheriff Mack or Casey or Dan or whoever else? Where is this headed and stuff like that?

[00:37:21] But I find this interesting. You got big money dividing the conservative camps right now. Well, where do they get all the money? I will totally acknowledge and admit. I'm extremely jealous of their financial prowess and I don't know where they get it because we can't,

[00:37:43] I mean, we have to pull teeth to get 25,000 for a conference of ours that is as you said, a skeletal budget. But I've been praying for that and hoping for that blessing to have that kind of money so we could really take CSPOA to the next level

[00:38:05] and the constitutional sheriff movement, which and I would totally invite Dan and Casey and anyone else in the country to argue with me and to disagree with me that the county sheriff America's Last Hope isn't real that no, there's lots of other places for hope in America.

[00:38:23] Obviously God and our Lord and savior saving us is the paramount and it's still there and we can't do it without him. But in the meantime, logistically, it would be great to be able to have an office instead of me having my CSPOA office out of my home

[00:38:44] and to have more help and paid state directors all across the country and to really have advertising about this and I would love to have an infomercial on television about the work that CSPOA is doing and the stories of our constitutional sheriffs who have stood for freedom

[00:39:06] and stood against the FBI and FDA and USDA and so on and so forth. And there's more of that happening now. We just got a report last night of another farm being trashed and raided by the state in Michigan and destroying all their hundreds of thousands of dollars

[00:39:26] worth of products because the state is taking care of us. Bottom line is I'm extremely envious and jealous as to how they do that and maybe I just don't know how to raise money or whatever, maybe that's one of my faults

[00:39:41] but man, oh man, I wish we could do that and Sam, I'm serious about this and I totally want people to disagree. Oh no, Sheriff Mack, the county sheriff is not America's last hope. We've got so many others. There's dozens and dozens of others

[00:40:02] methods that we can take back America and I really don't believe there's much one besides take back America county by county and state by state. There is no hope in Washington DC and with Trump getting elected or not, there's not still much hope in Washington DC

[00:40:19] even though I hope he wins and I'm gonna definitely vote for him and he deserves it and all the attacks he's had but quite frankly, I don't see much hope in America without the county by county and good constitutional sheriffs leading the way on that.

[00:40:37] There's no doubt the county sheriff of America's last hope is one of the great keys. Sheriff Mack's book about that, CSPOA.org to learn more but I really wanna hit on Dan's point, Dan. You kind of brought up, hey, let's rise above this.

[00:40:53] Look, I'm not here to defend Nick necessarily and I'm not here to hate on Nick. I'm here to simply say he has every right to say and think and believe what he wants to. This is America, not China

[00:41:02] and if I had the chance to sit down with Nick and have a general conversation, be polite, get to know each other, I would do that with him just like I would anyone else in the liberal camp, even if they're pro-death

[00:41:12] or they believe in abortion, I'd talk to them and be kind to them even though I completely disagree. Even if they're a transgender activist, I'd still be kind and respectful and decent. We'll disagree and we'll agree to do so in a very appropriate way.

[00:41:26] So I'm not against Nick in any way but hey, they shut down Nick at every turn even Turning Point USA is fine with shutting down Nick completely. Where does this lead us, Dan? Because to me, this is the problem

[00:41:38] and then number two after that, what about the money? I mean, how do both of these groups get so much money and you hinted that that circumspect and I agree with that, Dan. Yeah, no and again, I hate to bring it up

[00:41:52] because I feel like I'd have a conversation and be respectful because I appreciate the activism in the message but at the same time, it's imperative for us not to get lost in the divide and actually question who is funding what because it's known throughout time

[00:42:08] that the globalists and sorrows and their many entities fund both sides of the air quote fight and I've seen it on the grassroots level for years and people need to question that. The division, it's done intentionally obviously to keep us at war with each other,

[00:42:22] to keep us distracted so we never come together and I've seen that in place since 2007 and when you break through and you address the elephant in the room so to speak that yeah, we have people here of differing beliefs but we agree on these issues

[00:42:36] and you actually show unity, you need to go into overdrive to unperson you, to ban you, to shut you down, to sue you. They did it to me for years and I'm a nobody nothing with no funding from anybody

[00:42:46] so they've been doing this for two decades and then some it's just getting more highlighted and more prevalent now so it's only going to get worse and the biggest thing is regardless of it all is that we don't back down and Sheriff Mack is 1000% right

[00:43:02] that our sheriffs are our last line of defense, it's the last hope for this country but also God and also the will that's in your heart and soul and the passion to actually rise above it and stand up to the face, in the face of adversity

[00:43:14] and do what you're being led to do. There's no other way around it but we also, we can't just fall on either side because turning point not right with this either. You don't shut down free speech, you sound like hypocrites.

[00:43:29] I'm grateful that we were able to be a part of the event but at the same time, free speech is free speech. Everybody deserves the right to be heard. Let the people decide what's for them and what's not for them. So like you said before,

[00:43:42] when we talk about conflicts going on overseas and military industrial complex, big money and big agencies versus big money and big agencies and innocent people die. Well in this situation it's big money, activism versus big money activism causing division causing that same separation.

[00:44:00] We need to stop that and focus on the cause, the mission and saving this country because they are holding us down, beating us down and this is what they want and they're winning. They're winning and not saying anybody on this show but the more time that's spent discussing

[00:44:19] the divide between two big money factions is less time we spend discussing the issues that are destroying and desecrating our nation and blaspheming God every single solitary second of the day. Now a lot of people would say, hey Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA,

[00:44:35] they're the good guys, Nick's the bad guy but remember Charlie and Cruz said, Nick you cannot even attend our event. At the same time Nick out there praying for Turning Point USA and when a bunch of Turning Point USA people tried to go to Nick's America First event,

[00:44:51] it was outside because they had to protest but when they were joined by a bunch of people it was absolutely welcome. I find that is an interesting difference of who's who as well, Casey. All right we'll try to get Casey back, Sheriff? Sorry about that, I was muted.

[00:45:16] Yeah I do applaud how Nick did handle this, taking the high ground I would say and still exercising his freedom and we're definitely in a time where we have to do that, we have to uphold the constitution and the rule of law and assert our rights.

[00:45:36] That's why we're in this predicament because we haven't, a lot of people don't assert their rights so that's definitely time to do that. So what he did was obviously very effective. All right Sheriff do you want to respond? Charlie Kirk and those guys wouldn't let Nick

[00:45:50] even attend but Nick was praying for them and was more than welcome to have their crowd join him. I find that an interesting twist that would not be reported by anybody but probably me, Sheriff. Well that was a creative response on his part.

[00:46:06] I've actually had the same thing happen to me with the National Sheriff's Association and back about, oh man right when we started this CSPOA there was a big National Sheriff's Association conference in Nashville, Tennessee. I paid for a table, if I remember correctly

[00:46:25] it was like $900 and they sent me back the money and told me I couldn't have a table and they said you can still attend in other words I can pay the money to go inside their big huge expo and they had thousands of tables

[00:46:45] and I would say half of them were federal agencies. DEA had a huge table, FBI had a huge table, ICE had a huge table and so on. I mean it was just much, probably the IRS too, they're all being promoted and the corruption of Washington DC

[00:47:04] is just being promoted by the NSA, National Sheriff's Association because they get a lot of money from the federal government with those tables. I mean like I said the table was like $900 each, I think there are a lot more now and literally the federal government

[00:47:20] was paying for hundreds and hundreds of those tables and so of course they have a tight relationship with the feds, they don't want me there talking about the Constitution and that sheriffs should be following the Constitution and enforcing it and defending us against the very agencies

[00:47:36] that the NSA partners with and goes to bed with. So I've had it, I've seen it and it's really a shame and this is what I have against the Republican Party. It's really a shame that they have their dinners and their little events and stuff

[00:48:00] and pat each other on the back for being Republicans and then you look at them and what they're actually doing for the world and the country. They support these wars, they support the IRS and the other federal agencies that have created such havoc and destruction of our Constitution

[00:48:23] and let's be real here, the only reason we have the IRS as such a bully and intimidating unconstitutional bureaucracy is because, yeah mobocracy, we have both of that. We have horrible debt and we have abortion and taxpayers paying for abortion

[00:48:44] and the IRS and the crimes of the federal agencies and just out of control debt as I already mentioned, we have that because both parties have acquiesced or promoted it, specifically promoted this and we could easily get rid of the IRS but neither party wants to

[00:49:03] and we could still pay our fair share but it is so convoluted in such a mess. Both parties have done this and neither party cares about getting this agency off the back of the American people. Next hour, we're gonna get into the Turning Point USA event.

[00:49:21] There were a lot of speakers, et cetera. There was a big crowd really at both events and it's hard to tell how many people Nick could have had. He had about 500 plus at the outdoor rally but I think he would have had a whole lot more than that.

[00:49:33] A lot of people basically went home, felt like it was shut down. A lot of people couldn't go to the bar where special group were able to meet because it wasn't big enough for all those kind of people and so very interesting

[00:49:45] but to me, I don't look at just embracing or hating. Any individual. So let me give you an example, Donald Trump. Am I a lover of Donald Trump? No, am I a hater of Donald Trump? No. How about Nick Fuentes or in far as I understand,

[00:49:59] David Duke backed Nick Fuentes for this event as well. I'm not here to down any of those people. Here's what I'm here to say. When they say something that I like, I agree with them. If they wanna work on a project that I'm working on, I welcome them.

[00:50:11] If they say or do things that I disagree with, I make my disagreement politely, respectfully known that I disagree. So just take Nick. If he says Hitler is a good guy or he likes Hitler, I say, I think he's a bad guy and I don't like him.

[00:50:25] I don't agree with Nick on that but when Nick says Christ is king, I agree 100%. When Nick says we gotta stop the wars and not promote Israel or Palestine, we gotta realize that there's people being murdered all over the place, that's gotta stop, he's right.

[00:50:39] When he says he wants to pray for the TPUSA people, I agree. What do you think of my stance? Dan, I'm not here to barbecue anybody. If you're working with me on a project or we agree on something, fine.

[00:50:50] But we don't have to just hate and divide or love and can't we just be our own selves and call it as we see it like anybody else can do and not have friends and foes per se but just like or dislike things based on principle, Dan?

[00:51:08] Exactly, that's what it's all about and that's what gets lost in the noise of it all that people are so busy condemning the other side for pointing the finger and casting blame and dispersion but we do it ourselves. I'm not saying any of us here

[00:51:25] but so many on the quote right side do the exact same thing and we have to be bigger than that and be beyond that and also real quick to the point that Sheriff Mack said, as a lifelong Republican, I despise the Republican party

[00:51:40] and nobody has worked harder against me than George Soros and the Republican party. So they don't like people who actually preach, stand up for, don't take money to sell a talking point. Rather, the talking point simply is this, bringing people together,

[00:51:58] finding common sense solutions to save this nation, promote God and protect and preserve our rights. That's what this is about. So you're both 100% right and we need to be bigger and better than that and not engage in the same tactics that they inflict and teach everybody else

[00:52:19] from either side, we are bigger than that. And ladies and gentlemen, this is not the promote Nick Fuentes hour. What this really is, is I don't believe anybody else besides maybe Nick is reporting the other side of the story

[00:52:34] and my goal is to get the facts, who, what, when, where, why, to the best of my ability and report it and defend principles along the way. So who's gonna report it like I did and tell you the other side of the story,

[00:52:45] the dispute, what happened, who's who, what? Okay, who's gonna lay that out if I don't? So my goal was to tell you about both events this weekend. First hour was a lot on Nick and kind of what happened to him and anything else.

[00:52:56] Second hour is gonna be on Turning Point USA and talk about their event, what happened there. But the takeaway for me as we've got the conservatives fighting like nobody's business, they've managed to divide everyone and we've got to step back and say,

[00:53:10] look, I'm not gonna fall into their traps just because I can be nice to Nick and cover a fair who, what, when, where side of the story. That doesn't mean that I'm Nick's buddy and that I agree with everything Nick says or that I'm Charlie Kirk's buddy

[00:53:23] or that I agree with everything Charlie Kirk says. No, I have my own mind. I'm a man, a real man and I can think for myself and you know what? When something's right, I'm gonna call it right. When something's wrong, I'm gonna call it wrong.

[00:53:35] Now you can say, well, Sam, you're wrong. Sam, you're right, fine. But I have every right to call it as I see it and advocate for what I believe to be the real solutions. And the real solutions is to follow the money

[00:53:46] and find out where's all this money coming from? Are they really our friends? Are they really advocating for our cause? Or is there a fly in the ointment somewhere? And then for us as the American people, whether it be Casey Whelan, well-known investigative journalist, CaseyWhelan.substack.com

[00:54:01] or whether we're talking about Dan, well-known talk show host and activist in his own right, or whether we're talking about Sheriff Mack or me or whoever, we should be able to work with one another without fear of guilt by association retribution

[00:54:14] and we should be able to stand up for what's right. By the way, Dan's website is voiceofthepeopleusa.org. Sheriff Mack's site is cspoa.org. My site's libertyroundtable.com and lovingliberty.net. Hour one in the can. We're on Turning Point USA in seconds as hour two continues.

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