* Guests: Lance Migliaccio, George Balloutine, Hosts of The Big Mig Podcast / Videocast Powered by Truth! - TheBigMig.com
* We aren't buying it!
* Really? - The simple act of distributing photos not sophisticated facial recognition technology leads cops to the suspect?
* Luigi's Manifesto - Read the manifesto the media refused to publish - Ken Klippenstein.
I’ve obtained a copy of suspected killer Luigi Mangione’s manifesto — the real one, not the forgery circulating online. Major media outlets are also in possession of the document but have refused to publish it and not even articulated a reason why. My queries to The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN and NBC to explain their rationale for withholding the manifesto, while gladly quoting from it selectively, have not been answered.
* Luigi Mangione allegedly gunned down a health insurance CEO in cold blood, and within minutes of his arrest, we know his entire life story.
* Some people are celebrating the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson by selling merchandise glorifying the alleged assassin.
* McDonald's Worker Who Called Cops Could Be in for Some Cash $60K was offered for information leading to the murder suspect's arrest and/or conviction.
* Suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO Killing Luigi Mangione, Fights Extradition to New York - Manhattan prosecutors have charged Luigi Mangione with five counts, including murder and criminal possession of a weapon - Sam Dorman
* Mangione is wanted in New York for charges including second-degree murder, criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree and criminal possession of a forged instrument in the second degree.
He Shouted something is "completely out of touch" and is insulting the "intelligence of the American people" as he arrived for his hearing.
* Luigi Mangione Had a 'Ghost Gun' - The guns are legal, though rules have tightened to make them more traceable.
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[00:01:23] Lance, welcome back, sir.
[00:01:25] Hey.
[00:01:25] Thanks, Sam.
[00:01:26] I really appreciate it.
[00:01:27] Happy to be here, as always, with the Liberty Roundtable listeners and you.
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[00:01:33] Welcome, Brother George.
[00:01:36] Thank you, Sam.
[00:01:37] Welcome to all our Liberty Roundtable listeners.
[00:01:38] Always a pleasure to be here.
[00:01:40] It's another day we woke up.
[00:01:41] Another day we're going to fight the evil.
[00:01:43] Let's bring it.
[00:01:44] I'm ready.
[00:01:46] Amen to that.
[00:01:47] Now, they got this Luigi guy in the news.
[00:01:52] And I'm going to start out by going on record.
[00:01:54] I said right when this happened, something is wrong.
[00:01:57] Let me say it again.
[00:01:59] I'm going to say it three times.
[00:02:00] Something is wrong.
[00:02:01] Something is wrong.
[00:02:02] Something is wrong.
[00:02:04] With this whole narrative, ladies and gentlemen.
[00:02:06] And I don't know all the details yet, but I'm telling you, it does not make sense.
[00:02:10] What's going on is strange.
[00:02:12] There's all kinds of things at work.
[00:02:14] Remember how we told you in the lame duck session it was too quiet?
[00:02:17] Now, I don't know how all this relates yet, but I'm telling you something is wrong.
[00:02:22] And I'm going to start out with this interesting tidbit.
[00:02:25] The simple act of distributing photos, not sophisticated facial recognition technology,
[00:02:34] is what led the cops to this guy.
[00:02:39] Isn't that interesting?
[00:02:41] In the city where cameras are, I mean, look, New York's got to be one of the most surveilled cities in the world.
[00:02:48] Okay?
[00:02:48] I mean, there's cameras everywhere.
[00:02:50] Government cameras, business cameras, private people's cameras, phones everywhere.
[00:02:56] I mean, it's out of control.
[00:02:58] And they didn't find this guy from any of that.
[00:03:00] But they found this guy because supposedly he was hanging out at the Mickey D's, you know.
[00:03:06] Now, Mickey D's has been in the news for various weird reasons too.
[00:03:09] But, you know, Mickey D's continues to stay in the news for weird reasons.
[00:03:13] Nevertheless, though, hey, you know, they're hanging out and these guys are chilling.
[00:03:16] They're going, hey, man, that looks like that dude.
[00:03:18] And then they're like joking about it, talking about it.
[00:03:20] We'll get into that a little bit more.
[00:03:23] And they said the guy didn't even really pay attention to them.
[00:03:25] But they were so loud, they knew that he heard them.
[00:03:28] No big deal.
[00:03:28] He just chills, hangs out.
[00:03:30] Then the store clerk overheard.
[00:03:32] The store clerk hears their jokes, looks at the guy and goes, oh, my gosh, it is.
[00:03:35] And the store clerk calls.
[00:03:37] So a female is the one that called it in.
[00:03:39] But a gentleman, another customer, is the one that recognized this guy.
[00:03:44] But we're talking simple photos distributed.
[00:03:47] It's like putting your face on a milk carton modern day, right?
[00:03:50] It's like, what?
[00:03:52] Yeah, the simple act of distributing photos, not sophisticated facial recognition technology, got the guy.
[00:04:01] You buying it, Lance?
[00:04:04] You know, there's a lot of things about this story that I'm uncomfortable with.
[00:04:08] I think that I would have been surprised.
[00:04:12] I mean, the guy knew that he was being looked for.
[00:04:15] To kind of have this just casual behavior.
[00:04:18] And then if they talked loud enough that he would have heard him, he didn't do anything.
[00:04:22] There's also some interesting photos running around where it doesn't look like the eyebrows are the same.
[00:04:28] One guy.
[00:04:29] And that's what Richard Mack was saying.
[00:04:31] The guy doesn't even look the same as the other guy.
[00:04:33] How did all that happen?
[00:04:34] Because Richard Mack said yesterday he couldn't make the tie between the two if he had to.
[00:04:39] And he's an expert.
[00:04:41] Let's face it.
[00:04:41] Sheriff Mack's an expert.
[00:04:43] You know, he did it for a living.
[00:04:45] So I'm questioning, you know, did they just come up with a quick solution?
[00:04:50] Is it a scam?
[00:04:51] I know they said, oh, they got a manifesto and they got the gun.
[00:04:54] You know, who in their right mind after committing an execution like that would keep the weapon on them?
[00:05:01] That doesn't make any sense to me.
[00:05:03] I just especially it was a 3D printed gun.
[00:05:06] So if he's able to put together a 3D gun, there wouldn't be any reason to keep it because he could just do another one.
[00:05:12] He could just create another weapon for himself.
[00:05:14] I just I don't know.
[00:05:15] There's a lot of things that are making me think too much strange stuff.
[00:05:20] You're right, George.
[00:05:21] What do you say coming out of the gate, though?
[00:05:23] Many people say the guy that was in the photos that they drew up, it doesn't even look like the guy that they caught.
[00:05:28] This idea that, hey, this incredible facial recognition technology didn't get him.
[00:05:32] Simple photo distribution did.
[00:05:33] Some kids or guys joking didn't really turn him in, but they discovered him.
[00:05:38] Then the clerk overheard and turned it in.
[00:05:41] I'm just telling you, it sounds so, so strange.
[00:05:46] Well, it does sound strange.
[00:05:48] And, you know, I watched that interview about the guys joking.
[00:05:51] There were older men, probably in their like 60s, 70s.
[00:05:53] But there's a lot of things that don't make sense on this.
[00:05:58] And let's start off with him being in Pennsylvania.
[00:06:03] If it was him, why not take your hood off and show your hair?
[00:06:07] Because that would be your best feature to defer people from you even looking like that guy, number one.
[00:06:14] Number two is, how does anybody know that he's the one that whoever that person has pulled the trigger?
[00:06:19] Because you don't see his face.
[00:06:20] All you see is a person in a hoodie shooting a guy.
[00:06:24] We don't know.
[00:06:25] That could be anybody.
[00:06:27] Anybody could be switching.
[00:06:29] That's right.
[00:06:29] That's exactly right.
[00:06:30] But New York just happened to find his water bottle and coffee cup.
[00:06:35] You know how many empty water bottles and cups are around?
[00:06:38] Listen, I was telling Lance, he's not a real Italian, first of all.
[00:06:41] Because a real Italian would have did it differently, number one.
[00:06:43] Not to say they should be doing it.
[00:06:48] But the problem is he's an Ivy League liberal.
[00:06:51] You know, that's what it is.
[00:06:52] But just think about it.
[00:06:56] Like, let's do a scenario, hypothetically.
[00:06:59] If I was to do that role, I would pick up some water bottle from the garbage, pretend like it's mine, and throw anybody off its course.
[00:07:08] That's number one.
[00:07:10] Right?
[00:07:11] Number two is, you don't rent anything where you're going to use credit cards that could be traced to you.
[00:07:16] I haven't heard anything about that with the city bike.
[00:07:18] Like, what card, where was it traced to, how it was paid?
[00:07:21] I haven't heard, we haven't heard nothing on that.
[00:07:24] Well, there's a lot about that.
[00:07:25] But here's another thing.
[00:07:26] You don't hear any Democrats crying about gun violence.
[00:07:31] We need to get rid of guns on this one.
[00:07:33] Oh, yeah, they are.
[00:07:34] They're talking about ghost guns.
[00:07:35] We'll get to that as the thing unfolds here, as this broadcast drills in.
[00:07:39] Look, folks, here's what I don't understand.
[00:07:42] Okay?
[00:07:44] Supposedly, this guy had a manifesto on him.
[00:07:46] And when they got him, he just had a three-page write-up there.
[00:07:49] It didn't really point the finger at any individual.
[00:07:51] But, boy, was it damning against the healthcare industry.
[00:07:54] It was horrible.
[00:07:55] Okay?
[00:07:56] Everything they want you to believe in the mainstream press is like this direct tie.
[00:08:00] Man, he murdered him.
[00:08:02] But we don't have any evidence of that.
[00:08:06] That's why it's second degree.
[00:08:07] It's not even first-degree murder they're trying to charge him with.
[00:08:10] Okay?
[00:08:10] Well, his lawyer.
[00:08:11] Everything they have is like secondary.
[00:08:14] Oh, we got a water bottle.
[00:08:15] Well, that doesn't mean anything.
[00:08:16] I don't care if his DNA is on it or not.
[00:08:19] Okay?
[00:08:19] Well, man, he had a gun.
[00:08:21] Well, having a gun's not.
[00:08:22] He lied to cops.
[00:08:24] Well, lying to cops ain't murder, people.
[00:08:25] He's a bad guy.
[00:08:27] He's this.
[00:08:27] He loved the Unabomber.
[00:08:28] He's everything they have, Lance, so far that I see is like this secondary discussion when you really dig in.
[00:08:36] But yet they want you to believe that he's already guilty.
[00:08:40] And that's the problem that I have with this.
[00:08:42] Think about the guy that tried to assassinate Trump.
[00:08:44] That's Crooks guy or whatever.
[00:08:45] We don't know anything about that guy.
[00:08:47] But we know everything about this guy like a minute later.
[00:08:50] Not literally a minute, but you know what I'm saying.
[00:08:52] Quickly.
[00:08:53] I don't even understand it, Lance.
[00:08:56] Yeah.
[00:08:57] You know, when it comes to investigations, we know that law enforcement really doesn't move quickly.
[00:09:02] And in this case, it just seems like all the pieces are falling into place way too fast.
[00:09:09] And that makes me suspicious because I don't think New York law enforcement is known for working rapidly and effectively and efficiently.
[00:09:18] So here we are with this guy that we think it's the guy, but the eyebrows don't match.
[00:09:24] I'm not convinced on the nose.
[00:09:26] The angles aren't really right.
[00:09:27] The whole thing just, you know, it has a feeling of being very staged.
[00:09:32] And you're right.
[00:09:33] Whenever the left is quiet, they're always up to some dirt.
[00:09:37] Are they responsible for this or is it something to do with it?
[00:09:39] You know, I really have no idea.
[00:09:41] I don't have enough details.
[00:09:42] But they found the manifesto.
[00:09:43] We can go into that when you're ready.
[00:09:45] Yeah, we will.
[00:09:46] And so think about this.
[00:09:47] And even the manifesto doesn't seem right.
[00:09:49] The left is very strange on this too.
[00:09:51] They're like, oh my gosh, this guy was tied to the Unabomber.
[00:09:54] This guy loved the Unabomber.
[00:09:56] I mean, he had all kinds of stuff online.
[00:09:58] I mean, he was just like the Unabomber was the bomb.com guy.
[00:10:02] And I'm thinking the Unabomber and the liberal and the left are just going to like make this tie out there and it's all good.
[00:10:08] There's got to be more to this whole thing than we think.
[00:10:11] Right on the heels of the Democrats losing big than this guy's some failure, lunatic, you know, Democrat loving, environmental loving, whacked out, highly educated.
[00:10:23] This guy's so educated that it's not even funny.
[00:10:26] Tied to big money and big families.
[00:10:28] And wow, he's all I'm telling you is something ain't right.
[00:10:31] People will get back.
[00:10:33] Go straight to the manifesto.
[00:10:34] Lance will start out because they cops released a manifesto with what I'm talking about.
[00:10:39] He loved the Unabomber.
[00:10:40] He was really against this health care industry because they've wronged somebody in his family.
[00:10:44] He had all kinds of health problems.
[00:10:46] But yet we're getting a different scenario that no one's hearing about.
[00:10:50] We want to talk about this too.
[00:10:51] This conflict is huge.
[00:10:52] Hang tight.
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[00:13:03] Welcome back to Liberty Roundtable Live with your host, the hardest working man in show business, Sam Bushman,
[00:13:09] and of course, Lance Migliaccio and George Balentine along for the ride today.
[00:13:13] It's better to be hurt by the truth than comforted with a lie.
[00:13:15] You know, before we took that little break, we were talking about Luigi Mangione.
[00:13:21] I don't know.
[00:13:23] I'm uncomfortable with the way the facts are coming out and the evidence.
[00:13:26] It seems way too efficient, way too effective for the police.
[00:13:31] They don't usually operate this way.
[00:13:32] We don't even have the details of Trump's assassination attempt.
[00:13:37] So I don't know.
[00:13:38] And now this manifesto, and it's interesting, this Ken Klippenstein is the one that actually got this information,
[00:13:45] some sort of a leak coming out of law enforcement.
[00:13:48] The manifesto, Sam, just doesn't hit me right.
[00:13:51] It doesn't seem like a guy that may be emotionally stressed or have some kind of duress or maybe had the health care industry wrong him.
[00:13:59] I mean, what are your thoughts?
[00:14:00] Because I'm not feeling it.
[00:14:02] I don't believe this is believable.
[00:14:03] All right.
[00:14:04] Well, I don't know if the pages that the mainstream press is pointing to, that he loved the Unabomber,
[00:14:09] that he was super angry, that he's got all these back problems and all these problems.
[00:14:13] And, you know, some of it may be true, but I'm not buying that whole scenario.
[00:14:16] What they've done is they've basically said, you know, this guy's full of hate.
[00:14:19] And we don't have anything really directly tying him to the crime, but we've got all these secondary scenarios that, you know,
[00:14:25] we're going to say he's guilty.
[00:14:26] Well, in America, folks, you're innocent until proven guilty.
[00:14:29] And what they're doing is barbecuing this guy in the court of law, making him out to be some kind of a nut.
[00:14:36] So I don't believe what's being published.
[00:14:37] I also don't know that I believe this manifesto that you have in your hand either, because when you read it, there's a lot of questions.
[00:14:44] Let's read the details of this, then we'll break it down.
[00:14:47] Well, I want to say this before I start.
[00:14:50] Allegedly, this Ken Klippenstein had talked to New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, NBC, and he was told that they have a copy of the manifesto in their position,
[00:15:01] but the rationale for withholding the manifesto really hasn't been answered.
[00:15:06] So nobody understands why those news agencies didn't just jump right out with this.
[00:15:11] But let me read this to you, and then I want to get your input for both you and George.
[00:15:15] To the feds, I'll keep this short because I do respect what you do for our country.
[00:15:20] To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone.
[00:15:25] This was fairly trivial.
[00:15:27] Some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience.
[00:15:31] The spiral notebook at present has some straggling notes and to-do lists that illuminate the gist of it.
[00:15:37] My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering, so probably not much info there.
[00:15:42] I do apologize for any strife of traumas, but it had to be done.
[00:15:46] Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming.
[00:15:49] A reminder, the U.S. has the number one most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank number 42 in life expectancy.
[00:15:57] United is the largest company in the U.S. by market cap behind only Apple, Google, and Walmart.
[00:16:09] It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy, no.
[00:16:12] The reality is these, once again indecipherable, have simply gotten too powerful,
[00:16:17] and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allowed them to get away with it.
[00:16:24] Obviously, the problem is more complex, but I do not have space,
[00:16:27] and frankly, I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument.
[00:16:31] But many have illuminated the corruption and greed, e.g. Rosenthal, Moore.
[00:16:36] He's citing, I guess, two authors of other articles.
[00:16:38] Decades ago, and the problems simply remain.
[00:16:40] It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play.
[00:16:45] Evidently, I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.
[00:16:49] I'm not buying it.
[00:16:51] George.
[00:16:51] George.
[00:16:54] I'm not buying it either because I want to see the notebook or whatever the papers they said they found with this manifesto.
[00:17:02] I want to match it up, get a handwriting expert and match it up from there
[00:17:06] because even his lawyer is claiming that they have the wrong guy
[00:17:10] and they're fighting the extradition, like, show us some evidence.
[00:17:13] And if you think about it, like, really, what evidence do they really have that it's him?
[00:17:18] It doesn't show his face.
[00:17:20] And, Lance, you made a great point earlier because it made me double check.
[00:17:23] And I'm looking at close-up photos of the pictures that the NYD put out and the pictures of Luigi.
[00:17:30] And the eyebrows definitely don't match up.
[00:17:33] Even the eye somewhat and the nose.
[00:17:34] But the eyebrows is a big tell point.
[00:17:38] So, you know, they're quick to find somebody on this.
[00:17:43] But, you know, the FBI can't find, you know, a Trump assassination.
[00:17:48] They can't get into this or that with, you know, their phone records on this.
[00:17:52] But they got everything on this guy.
[00:17:54] I smell a rat here.
[00:17:58] What's the reason for it?
[00:17:59] What's the who?
[00:18:01] Who?
[00:18:01] Who is this?
[00:18:02] Kui Bono, my friend.
[00:18:04] But did you hear that somehow Nancy Pelosi had just bought stock with a company that was,
[00:18:09] I think it was a security company that was part with UnitedHealthcare.
[00:18:12] And she made, I don't know, like $14 million.
[00:18:16] That's a story that's been going around.
[00:18:18] Well, there's all kinds of follow-the-money scenarios we ought to do here.
[00:18:21] Kui Bono means who benefits.
[00:18:22] It was a statement made to Benjamin Franklin back in the day.
[00:18:26] This is serious, folks.
[00:18:27] And here's the problem.
[00:18:29] I believe the Hegelian dialectic is being used here against all of us.
[00:18:35] What do I mean by the Hegelian dialectic?
[00:18:37] The Hegelian dialectic is we take two opposing views.
[00:18:40] We put them in conflict.
[00:18:42] We float them out there.
[00:18:43] And you either need to, without saying this, but you either need to subscribe to option A or option B.
[00:18:49] And then what happens is society polarizes between those two, and then we have a conflict.
[00:18:55] And oftentimes those two aren't really even the real answer or the real discussion or the real issue.
[00:19:00] So one side says this guy, love the Unabomber.
[00:19:03] He's a nutcase.
[00:19:03] That's in the media.
[00:19:05] Whacked out, liberal, extreme, super rich, tapped in guy.
[00:19:09] Acted alone, disgruntled.
[00:19:12] Acted alone.
[00:19:13] Remember that.
[00:19:13] Disgruntled.
[00:19:15] The other side is now this manifesto that supposedly everybody's in possession of.
[00:19:20] Now, I don't know if it's true or not, but I want to find out, though.
[00:19:23] Are all the media really in possession of this second manifesto you just read?
[00:19:27] Because according to this guy, Ken Klippenstein or whatever, A, everybody has it.
[00:19:32] And he's obtained it.
[00:19:34] Now, it shouldn't be hard to obtain if all the other news guys have it, right?
[00:19:40] The real one, not the forgery circulating online.
[00:19:43] So you're telling me now that there's a forgery out there and the cops, the media, and everybody else are using a forgery?
[00:19:48] This should be pretty easy to run to ground and prove and vet.
[00:19:50] I haven't had time to do any work on this, but that's interesting enough.
[00:19:54] But then in it, it says, hey, I acted alone.
[00:19:57] Don't even go search anywhere else.
[00:19:59] You know I'm not guilty, right, George?
[00:20:01] I'm just saying what?
[00:20:03] I acted alone.
[00:20:04] Why would he say that anyway?
[00:20:05] Number one.
[00:20:05] Number two, hey, let me make this easy for you.
[00:20:08] You know, these guys are bad guys.
[00:20:09] Okay, now 90% of that press release I agree with.
[00:20:13] Let me be very clear.
[00:20:14] Not in the they deserve it, not in the murder, not in any of those things.
[00:20:18] But I agree that the health care industry is off the rails.
[00:20:21] They put themselves above the law.
[00:20:23] They're using all these different words, deny and this and that, distract and depose and whatever.
[00:20:29] And they've done that forever in the insurance industry, and it is wrong.
[00:20:33] They're using their big lawyers to get out of all kinds of payments.
[00:20:36] It's wrong, and it's been done for decades, and people are angry.
[00:20:39] And, okay, it's all broken.
[00:20:40] It's all true.
[00:20:41] In fact, Hammond Bundy came up with a video that just came out on X a couple of days ago where he highlights this.
[00:20:48] And he says, you know what?
[00:20:49] I get what they're saying.
[00:20:50] I get what this guy's saying.
[00:20:51] Hey, deny, distract, you know, depose.
[00:20:55] That's what they do.
[00:20:56] It's classic lawfare.
[00:20:58] But this guy really going off about this then almost sounds like a conservative guy saying, hey, let's back RFKJR because the health care industry is jacked.
[00:21:06] We've got to fix it.
[00:21:08] Interesting.
[00:21:08] RFKJR is about to get reviewed by the Senate and then put in place or what?
[00:21:14] And will this have an effect on all that?
[00:21:16] You know, I don't know, but I'm just saying you get these two opinions.
[00:21:18] One's the conservative supposed real press release or real manifesto.
[00:21:23] And then the other one's the fake one.
[00:21:25] And now you don't know what to believe.
[00:21:27] This guy's highly competent.
[00:21:29] Well, it even turns out now that some people, they say, are celebrating the murder of this United Health Care CEO, Brian Thompson, by selling merchandise, glorifying the alleged assassin.
[00:21:47] But they don't say the alleged assassin.
[00:21:51] That's what I wrote.
[00:21:51] What they say is the suspected assassin.
[00:21:55] See, they're painting this narrative in the courts that he's guilty no matter what.
[00:21:58] And I don't care which road you go down.
[00:22:00] We'll we'll seed you with so much bogus information that you'll never get to the real discussion or the real issue or ask the real questions.
[00:22:06] Lance, that's where they're at on this thing.
[00:22:08] And that's why I don't believe any of it.
[00:22:11] I think those are all really valid arguments and really just statements.
[00:22:16] Sam, but I agree with you.
[00:22:17] You know, we've all of us in the country are suspicious now.
[00:22:21] We've gotten to the point where we're all probably overly suspicious because of how many different narratives have been, you know, force fed to us that we found out, you know, within a narrow window of time weren't true at all.
[00:22:35] So, you know, you don't know whether to trust the media.
[00:22:37] Number one, you definitely are concerned.
[00:22:39] There isn't a person in the United States isn't concerned about whether or not you can trust law enforcement.
[00:22:43] They've really hurt their reputations across the board.
[00:22:46] And that doesn't matter whether it's a state or federal agency because of their behavior.
[00:22:49] And, you know, I'm a support the blue guy.
[00:22:52] I back the blue.
[00:22:52] I'm all about it.
[00:22:53] I think we need good law enforcement.
[00:22:55] I just think there's been lots of things like this that really are unsettling.
[00:22:58] When we can't get the information we want, whether it's the Epstein files, the Seth Ritz laptop or anything else, that all becomes a waterfall down from there to all the agencies.
[00:23:08] So here we are with Luigi Mangione.
[00:23:11] And the truth is, you're right.
[00:23:13] I agree with what he's saying about health care.
[00:23:15] I'm not talking about that it should require a homicide to get people's attention on it.
[00:23:20] But I am saying this.
[00:23:22] The American public is fed up.
[00:23:25] They're tired of being jerked around.
[00:23:27] They're tired of getting screwed over by the credit card companies and the insurance companies and the health care companies.
[00:23:34] And, you know, and even things like warranties for manufacturers on automobiles where they fight even though they've got a major, you know, problem with a vehicle across country.
[00:23:44] They won't do it under warranty and they won't do a recall because they know it's going to cost them money.
[00:23:48] So they fight it to the death until they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
[00:23:52] This is going on and on and on.
[00:23:53] America's tired of it.
[00:23:54] They're fed up.
[00:23:55] When is enough enough, Sam?
[00:23:58] Well, people are celebrating the murder of this guy.
[00:24:01] They're selling merch on it and everything else.
[00:24:03] And I mean, women are literally coming out of the woodwork and just saying, oh, my gosh, can I have your baby before, you know, you go to prison?
[00:24:09] Okay.
[00:24:10] Now, we know that, hey, chicks fall in love with guys that are like this.
[00:24:13] Look at Ted Bundy and all these other people.
[00:24:15] So we know it happens.
[00:24:16] But, man, this is all too fast and too strange, too polarizing, too weird, too distracting.
[00:24:21] I've got more on it.
[00:24:22] We'll talk about it.
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[00:26:00] South Carolina Republican Congresswoman Nancy Mace says she was assaulted by a pro-trans man at the Capitol last night.
[00:26:08] Bernie Bennett reports.
[00:26:10] A statement from the Capitol Police said the incident was reported by Mace's office just before 6 p.m. Eastern time
[00:26:15] and took place in the Rayburn House office building.
[00:26:17] Police arrested a 33-year-old from Illinois, Jamie McIntyre, on a charge of assaulting a government official.
[00:26:22] Mace said in a post on X, quote, I was physically accosted at the Capitol tonight by a pro-trans man.
[00:26:28] Capitol Police arrested the guy.
[00:26:30] Your trans violence and threats of my life will only make me double down.
[00:26:33] In another post, she added, quote, all the violence and threats keep proving our point.
[00:26:38] Women deserve to be safe.
[00:26:39] Your threats will not stop my fight for women.
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[00:26:42] Murder suspect Luigi Mangione is being held without bail in Pennsylvania.
[00:26:46] During a court appearance yesterday,
[00:26:48] he objected to being brought to New York to face a trial in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
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[00:30:34] McDonald's worker who called cops could be in for some cash.
[00:30:40] 60K was offered for information leading to the murder of suspects, arrest, and conviction.
[00:30:50] But I guess the question becomes who gets the cash?
[00:30:52] The folks that were joking that really kind of discovered it?
[00:30:55] The gal that overheard and called in?
[00:30:57] Who gets the cash?
[00:30:58] And what does a conviction mean?
[00:31:00] Right?
[00:31:01] And we're debating all that right now.
[00:31:03] You say, what does a conviction mean?
[00:31:04] What does an arrest mean?
[00:31:06] What is an arraignment?
[00:31:10] Death penalty?
[00:31:11] Just put it on appeal forever.
[00:31:14] When are you going to get your cash?
[00:31:15] By the time you're dead.
[00:31:17] Suspect in a UnitedHealthcare CEO killing.
[00:31:22] Fights extradition to New York.
[00:31:26] Manhattan prosecutors have charged Luigi with five counts.
[00:31:31] They say including murder, possession of an illegal weapon, etc.
[00:31:38] Now what I find fascinating about this is he's wanted in New York for charges.
[00:31:45] Second degree murder.
[00:31:47] What?
[00:31:48] How is it second degree?
[00:31:50] Anyway, let's drill into this though.
[00:31:51] It's weird to me that this guy's fighting extradition.
[00:31:54] We'll get into that in just a second.
[00:31:55] But they don't even have like first charges on him.
[00:31:58] Second degree murder.
[00:31:59] An illegal weapon.
[00:32:00] We can debate how illegal the weapon was.
[00:32:02] Because I guess in New York everything is illegal kind of thing.
[00:32:05] Except for crime.
[00:32:07] But other than that, it's just weird.
[00:32:08] George, do you want to start on this one?
[00:32:11] It is.
[00:32:12] But I was looking this up as we're talking behind the scene.
[00:32:17] And FBI rules.
[00:32:19] They stipulate that tipsters calls must lead to an arrest and conviction.
[00:32:23] For anybody to get the reward money.
[00:32:26] That's first.
[00:32:26] So this is going to require what?
[00:32:28] Extradition to New York.
[00:32:30] A trial and conviction.
[00:32:31] So that's the one obstacle.
[00:32:34] Two, to me, it's the person that made the call should get the reward.
[00:32:38] It's not the person that's talking about it.
[00:32:39] Maybe they didn't have the guts to do it or don't want to do it.
[00:32:41] Whatever the reason may be.
[00:32:43] But they didn't do it.
[00:32:44] The other person made the call.
[00:32:47] So if you look at it, if she didn't make the call, would there have been arrest?
[00:32:51] Would there have been some money going to somebody?
[00:32:53] No.
[00:32:55] So let's just, you know, end it right there.
[00:32:57] The girl, there's no debating.
[00:32:59] We're not going to debate this, Sam.
[00:33:02] It should have been.
[00:33:03] We'll see.
[00:33:04] We'll see.
[00:33:04] What happens when the other guys say, hey, we sued.
[00:33:07] We tipped her off, man.
[00:33:08] You got the tip from us.
[00:33:09] I'm just telling you right now.
[00:33:12] You know, but I got to jump in.
[00:33:14] I got to agree with George.
[00:33:15] I mean, you have to have the call you to make the call.
[00:33:19] If you don't make the call.
[00:33:20] I don't disagree one iota.
[00:33:21] I'm just telling you in our modern law fair society, this is going to be up for debate.
[00:33:24] Whether you guys think it is or not.
[00:33:26] And I agree with you 100%.
[00:33:27] But I'm telling you, it will not be simple.
[00:33:30] Well, I'm going to add something, too.
[00:33:32] Well, it never is when money's involved.
[00:33:34] So I'm going to add something.
[00:33:35] That McDonald's worker is facing a lot of backlash, threats.
[00:33:40] Those guys aren't.
[00:33:42] It's the McDonald's worker.
[00:33:44] And I got to say, though, McDonald's is doing real good with press this year.
[00:33:47] Between Trump working at McDonald's and this.
[00:33:50] I mean, is that a coincidence that McDonald's link?
[00:33:54] Is it a coincidence that we're dealing with this health care issue right before RFKJR is supposed to go ahead and get, you know, approved by the Senate or whatever?
[00:34:01] All these different things.
[00:34:02] Is it really this coincidence?
[00:34:04] Really?
[00:34:05] You know, Sam, I got to say this.
[00:34:07] I'm actually surprised it's taken this long for something like this to happen.
[00:34:13] You know, we're on social media a lot.
[00:34:15] And again, let's be clear.
[00:34:16] We don't want it to happen.
[00:34:17] We're not advocating for it.
[00:34:18] We're just telling you that the temperature has been rising for a long time, Lance.
[00:34:24] Yeah.
[00:34:24] Violence is never the solution.
[00:34:26] What we want is a system that works the way it's supposed to and that they're legally bound to make work.
[00:34:31] But when you look at the consequences of what corporate America has done to people, I mean, even this year, and I can't blame it all on them, but you look at what's happened in the world of inflation.
[00:34:44] People are angry.
[00:34:46] They're tired.
[00:34:47] They're bitter.
[00:34:47] I mean, you see it.
[00:34:49] Listen, we have to spend an inordinate amount of time on social media researching stories, you know, for the radio show and for the big, big show over on Rumble.
[00:34:56] And, of course, we're constantly surfing through thousands and thousands of pages of material on all sorts of platforms.
[00:35:03] And the tone is on social media.
[00:35:06] People have got a lot of pent-up anger.
[00:35:09] And I'm surprised that this isn't the way they're discharging it more rapidly.
[00:35:13] I mean, people at this point, the majority of America, as an example, hate Bill Gates.
[00:35:19] They hate them from the bottom of their heart.
[00:35:20] They talk about them in a rabid fashion.
[00:35:23] I'm actually shocked that some of these people that are out there, some of these corporate America leadership, whether it's a Mark Zuckerberg or a Bill Gates or anybody else or even some of the political officials.
[00:35:34] I mean, a lot of people are very angry at Anthony Fauci.
[00:35:39] So you have to look at it from the perspective of when does that anger spill over?
[00:35:43] Because the American government hasn't done anything to fix it.
[00:35:46] They haven't helped the American people.
[00:35:48] They'll give billions to Ukraine.
[00:35:50] They'll spend billions in Israel and Palestine.
[00:35:52] But they won't help the American people.
[00:35:54] They won't help veterans.
[00:35:56] There are so many veterans that are getting mistreated and they're bitter and angry.
[00:36:00] I see them venting online all the time.
[00:36:03] I think, you know, what our government has done is they've really created a situation where I don't know whether this guy's guilty or not.
[00:36:11] I really don't know enough about him.
[00:36:12] I think the story, there's too many things I don't like about it.
[00:36:15] But how many other people are like whoever the actual perpetrator of this crime is are thinking about this?
[00:36:23] And is this going to cause copycat situations?
[00:36:25] Because now is this the first trigger?
[00:36:27] Or maybe is this some big plan behind the scenes by the left?
[00:36:30] It's frightening to me because I see, you know, George, and you tell me, do you not see people that are just rabidly, psychotically angry online?
[00:36:39] And I don't care whether they're angry against Donald Trump or they're angry against Anthony Fauci.
[00:36:44] It's just they've got this pent up real bitter hatred, don't they?
[00:36:48] Oh, they do.
[00:36:51] I mean, and you can't reason with them.
[00:36:53] They're just so brainwashed by the mainstream media.
[00:36:56] They believe everything they say.
[00:36:59] And I mean, I don't know what could be done to get these people to actually see the light.
[00:37:05] I mean, the only thing maybe would be for the mainstream media to start saying, all right, you know, we apologize.
[00:37:10] We made these mistakes.
[00:37:12] It's, you know, they recant what they said.
[00:37:14] But to people there, if you take the name Trump out and it was a different person, they would have probably voted for him or support them.
[00:37:24] But it's just because of the name Trump and what the media portrays Trump to be.
[00:37:28] And, you know, let's face it.
[00:37:29] They're doing it with some of his choices, his picks for his cabinet.
[00:37:32] Yeah, but don't you think it's not just Trump or not just one side of the aisle?
[00:37:36] I feel like there's an equal amount of anger from both very far left and very far right.
[00:37:41] And there's people that talk about the insurance industry regularly and how, you know, their claims were denied and this was done to them and it's affected their family.
[00:37:50] I agree with you.
[00:37:51] But I would say this.
[00:37:52] The liberals are way more angry than the conservatives.
[00:37:55] I want to talk now.
[00:37:56] I want to talk from my personal experience that's going on right now with insurance.
[00:38:01] Let's talk about it.
[00:38:02] Yeah, you're going to say you're angry, too.
[00:38:03] George, explain to the audience what your injury is first.
[00:38:06] Would you like?
[00:38:07] I'm going to.
[00:38:07] No, I'm not angry.
[00:38:08] I'm more frustrated.
[00:38:10] So right now I have a complex tear of the meniscus and there's arthritis in the knee that pushed the meniscus out.
[00:38:17] And the only way to fix that is to get.
[00:38:20] They said I need a half a knee replacement.
[00:38:23] So but first I got to go to.
[00:38:26] And this doesn't just mind boggling.
[00:38:28] The doctor said, yeah, insurance.
[00:38:29] They're not going to do right away.
[00:38:30] You have to go physical therapy first.
[00:38:32] And they want to probably give you cortisone shots.
[00:38:34] And me, I won't get a cortisone shot because that's just going to mask the pain.
[00:38:39] So if I don't feel nothing, then I could damage it more.
[00:38:42] And this is so now you're wasting all this time and money before they just where they inevitably have to.
[00:38:49] They're going to OK.
[00:38:49] It's just it's just it's just wasting time and money for what reason.
[00:38:53] So now I got to put my life on hold.
[00:38:57] Go and draw this.
[00:38:58] And then it's just more time.
[00:38:59] And then after surgery recovery.
[00:39:02] It's you know, it shouldn't be.
[00:39:04] I should have had the surgery ready and we should have been done with in recovering.
[00:39:07] But is that fair?
[00:39:08] Is that right?
[00:39:09] But when you don't pay your premium, they're quick to cancel your policy.
[00:39:15] Same thing with insurance companies.
[00:39:17] They all want to fight you when you put claims or this in.
[00:39:20] But and you have to go through the process.
[00:39:22] It's unfair.
[00:39:23] And they have all the money.
[00:39:24] But when it comes time, if they say you didn't make a payment or you're late, they'll do.
[00:39:29] They can't do your policy.
[00:39:30] There's no there's no trying to hold them off or nothing.
[00:39:34] It's done and over with.
[00:39:35] So they always they they have the upper hand.
[00:39:37] They have the advantage.
[00:39:39] And, you know, there needs to be.
[00:39:40] They need to get this corrected.
[00:39:43] And where somebody like a George that's very intelligent and patient and says he's frustrated.
[00:39:48] Other people say they're angry.
[00:39:49] Some people say they're so ticked off.
[00:39:51] They're going to rage against the machine.
[00:39:53] This is very, very serious.
[00:39:55] And you look at the Ammon Bundy case where he took on that hospital that tried to, you know, do all these things to these little kids.
[00:40:01] And so they protested.
[00:40:02] And now Ammon Bundy and Diego and these guys are all in trouble with the hospital that basically has already spent millions of dollars literally attacking them over free speech rights.
[00:40:12] And I mean, this is getting hot, hot, hot.
[00:40:15] Now, everything this guy, though, is guilty of, they claim is second degree.
[00:40:19] This he's wanted in New York for charges, including second degree murder, criminal possession of an illegal weapon in the second degree and criminal possession of a forged instrument in the second degree.
[00:40:35] What is all this second degree stuff about?
[00:40:40] Then he shouted something incoherent, they claim.
[00:40:42] They're trying to put together a mental claim for the guy already.
[00:40:46] He had a ghost gun.
[00:40:47] We'll talk about all that coming up in seconds.
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[00:43:02] All right, Liberty News Roundtable is back here with Sam Bushman and friends with our two hosts, the Big Mig Bros, Lance Migliaccio and George Ballantyne.
[00:43:12] We were just talking about second-degree murder, first-degree murder with Luigi Mangione's case here in Pennsylvania, New York.
[00:43:19] And I'm going to take you through it.
[00:43:20] Why he's being charged with second-degree murder.
[00:43:23] In New York, first of all, each state has different ways their murder charges are.
[00:43:30] So we're just going to talk New York right now.
[00:43:32] New York, they reserve first-degree murder for if you murder a police officer or if there's kidnapping and murder involved or torture, etc.
[00:43:42] That's what they give first-degree murder for.
[00:43:45] And this is why they give Luigi second-degree murder.
[00:43:47] However, in the second-degree murder statute in New York, there is an exception for emotional disturbance.
[00:43:54] And what comes into play here is Luigi did have back surgery.
[00:43:58] He has some fusion with plates and some screws in his back.
[00:44:02] And did that cause emotional disturbance?
[00:44:05] That's why I think his lawyer could play a role in it.
[00:44:10] But we'll see.
[00:44:11] Time will tell.
[00:44:12] But his lawyer is fighting this extradition.
[00:44:14] But the thing is, Lance, I want to bring this up to you about this ghost gun.
[00:44:17] They say they found a ghost gun.
[00:44:18] But in the video, there was a silencer on it.
[00:44:22] Where is the silencer?
[00:44:24] Well, they didn't take any pictures of that.
[00:44:27] You know, when I read some of the information that's been released over the last couple days in the news,
[00:44:31] they do allege that they got the silencer.
[00:44:33] Now, you know, the police and law enforcement always love a good photo op.
[00:44:37] I'm kind of shocked that they didn't put the silencer in the picture.
[00:44:40] So I agree with you.
[00:44:42] It's suspicious that they're not.
[00:44:43] I just think that the way they're playing up the ghost gun.
[00:44:47] And, of course, a ghost gun makes sense because, you know, it's easier for them to say, oh, he made it himself or he got it online or whatever else.
[00:44:56] I don't know.
[00:44:57] Now, the fact that they're already caught, you know, into this ghost gun theory, and I'm not saying it's not a ghost gun, I'm not sure how I feel about that yet.
[00:45:04] So I got a ghost gun and I got there's no such thing as a silencer.
[00:45:08] It's a suppressor.
[00:45:08] But anyway.
[00:45:09] Suppressor.
[00:45:09] You got a suppressor and a ghost gun, but yet I got a manifesto here.
[00:45:12] Why don't you read it?
[00:45:13] It's all over the place telling you I'd done it myself and I had to do it and, you know, nothing really crazy here.
[00:45:19] I just had to.
[00:45:20] Okay.
[00:45:20] What gives with this thing?
[00:45:21] It doesn't make any sense.
[00:45:22] I don't even know what a ghost gun is.
[00:45:24] I know what they're going to claim it is, but I disagree with it.
[00:45:26] There's no such thing as a ghost gun, people.
[00:45:29] There's no such thing as an assault weapon.
[00:45:32] Okay.
[00:45:32] There's no such thing as a weapon of mass destruction.
[00:45:37] Right?
[00:45:38] We got to understand this.
[00:45:39] And I know it sounds like I'm playing games with words and I don't mean to, but I'm trying to make something very clear.
[00:45:44] Objects don't do things, people.
[00:45:47] Objects don't just do mass destruction.
[00:45:49] People do things.
[00:45:51] Okay?
[00:45:51] So let's not act like this gun's a bad gun in the hands of a good person.
[00:45:56] This gun that you make yourself, whether you 3D print it or buy the parts online or whatever else.
[00:46:01] Okay?
[00:46:02] The gun hasn't done anything.
[00:46:03] And in the hands of a righteous person, it might be the Save the President's Life gun, for instance.
[00:46:10] Lance?
[00:46:11] Sure.
[00:46:12] I mean, we can get into the semantics of it as far as a discussion.
[00:46:15] You're right.
[00:46:15] The gun on its own.
[00:46:17] And let me start with this.
[00:46:20] I shall not be infringed.
[00:46:22] That's what I believe.
[00:46:23] I think that the ATF and many of the agencies have created far too many statutes for restrictions.
[00:46:30] It was never supposed to happen.
[00:46:32] The founders and framers put the Second Amendment in place because they were very concerned that the people would not have a way to protect themselves,
[00:46:39] not only from foreign invaders, but from their own government.
[00:46:42] And that's been proven over and over again.
[00:46:44] We've seen many times where countries have taken away the weapons.
[00:46:46] So first of all, let me say, I don't agree with the laws inside the ATF.
[00:46:49] But the law, when somebody's in possession of a gun that has been manufactured on their own, not from a major manufacturer, but as you call it, 3D printing.
[00:46:59] When you get past the point that the receiver's been completed more than 80%, you're supposed to file a Form 2 paperwork with the ATF, which gets you a registration serial number.
[00:47:14] And then you are supposed to engrave that registration serial number on the paperwork.
[00:47:17] So for the audience, a ghost gun.
[00:47:19] On the gun, you mean?
[00:47:20] Yeah, on the gun.
[00:47:21] On the receiver.
[00:47:23] When you say the gun, there's a completed weapon.
[00:47:25] But we're talking about the receivers.
[00:47:26] That is what the ATF keeps a close eye on because it doesn't take much to buy the rest of the parts online.
[00:47:31] But let me do this for the audience.
[00:47:33] Maybe the audience doesn't even understand the word ghost gun.
[00:47:35] Really, the term came from the 3D and 4D mills that are out there that allow you, or also the printers, that allow you to create gun parts.
[00:47:46] And there was a mill that came out called the Ghost Gunner Mill.
[00:47:51] And that mill was the first mill that came out that allowed you to create a receiver for an AR-15, for a Sig Sauer P365, for a Glock.
[00:48:01] And you could actually manufacture your own handgun at home.
[00:48:03] Now, in itself, it's not illegal to manufacture a weapon.
[00:48:06] If you go through the regular steps and the correct process through the ATF, you can make your own AR-15.
[00:48:11] If you're in the right state, not in New York, not in certain states, they've got to restrict.
[00:48:15] But in the states that it's allowed, you're allowed to make your own handgun.
[00:48:18] You're allowed to customize and do whatever you want.
[00:48:19] But you have to file the correct paperwork.
[00:48:22] Now, as far as the – and I know the press likes to use the word silencer.
[00:48:27] They're both really accurate terms, suppressor and silencer.
[00:48:30] But the real technical term is suppressor, not silencer.
[00:48:33] That's what the military and, of course, the manufacturers use.
[00:48:37] That's a whole different thing because now you're talking about a Class III weapon.
[00:48:42] Class III requires a $200 tax stamp along with the registration serial number.
[00:48:47] So there's a further step to have a suppressor just like pre-'86 machine guns.
[00:48:54] The registration – a citizen that has no criminal history can own a machine gun in the right state with the right sheriff in place because you need to get a letter from law enforcement to get approved.
[00:49:05] But you have to pay for the Class III registration, which comes with a $200 tax stamp.
[00:49:10] And then you have to go through this lengthy process with the ATF to get approved.
[00:49:14] Real pain in the butt.
[00:49:15] And it was never like that.
[00:49:16] That all happened.
[00:49:17] That was all part of the Reagan era.
[00:49:20] They changed a lot of stuff.
[00:49:21] And really, in my opinion, we've gone over the top with gun law enforcement.
[00:49:25] Like, there's all kinds of things that have to do with stocks and otherwise that are just ridiculous.
[00:49:29] So that gives people the background anyway.
[00:49:32] So I don't know.
[00:49:32] Ghost gun, probably accurate.
[00:49:34] And I'm sure they're going to probably at some point have a photo op with the suppressor.
[00:49:38] Well, it makes it very easy for them now to not have to prove it's the same gun.
[00:49:43] That's kind of the problem here.
[00:49:45] 100%.
[00:49:45] These ghost guns or whatever you want to call them, these guns, they're not illegal, people.
[00:49:52] Let's be very clear.
[00:49:52] Those guns are not illegal.
[00:49:53] However, they've tightened rules to make them more traceable is kind of the discussion point.
[00:49:57] But what my reasoning about this is, is, hey, they're going to make it very easy.
[00:50:01] You don't even have to really prove it's the same gun, though.
[00:50:02] All you got to say is, hey, it was an untraceable deal.
[00:50:04] There's no serial number.
[00:50:05] We don't know if it's this gun or that gun or what gun.
[00:50:07] Well, the ballistics should still tie the weapon.
[00:50:10] I mean, they should be able to pull the rounds.
[00:50:12] Yeah, but now you got to trust the ballistics lab.
[00:50:15] What I mean is we're getting further and further and further away from a provable case, though.
[00:50:19] But they'll barbecue them anyway.
[00:50:22] Now, why does this matter?
[00:50:23] Why does this matter?
[00:50:24] Because this gentleman shouted.
[00:50:28] They say this.
[00:50:29] This is he says this.
[00:50:31] This is completely out of touch and insulting the intelligence of the American people.
[00:50:36] As he arrived for his hearing, he shouted this to reporters and such.
[00:50:40] And I'm kind of going, OK, wait a minute.
[00:50:42] Why would this guy, if he's so calm, cool, collected with a manifesto like, hey, you got me.
[00:50:46] This was easy.
[00:50:47] I acted alone.
[00:50:48] I knew you were coming.
[00:50:49] I got a ghost gun.
[00:50:50] I got a ghost gun.
[00:50:51] And a suppressor.
[00:50:53] And, you know, why did he even flee?
[00:50:54] And why didn't he just stay there and go, hey, I made a big old bang, killed this guy.
[00:50:58] And now arrest me.
[00:51:00] Why the ghost gun?
[00:51:01] Why the fleeing from the law?
[00:51:02] Why the if the manifesto says you got me.
[00:51:05] This was super easy.
[00:51:06] Had to be done.
[00:51:06] And I'm just telling you, we're setting up a classic patsy for the conspiracy world forever.
[00:51:13] Based on a ghost gun and based on a bunch of second degree stuff and based on hearsay everywhere.
[00:51:19] I mean, this is very, very strange case.
[00:51:22] And the more you dig in, the more there's loose ends.
[00:51:24] I'd like to interview this guy.
[00:51:26] But you're never going to hear from the patsy or you're never going to hear from the guy that gets the hook for this.
[00:51:32] Now, whether he's guilty or not, I don't know.
[00:51:34] All I'm saying to you is, I don't know that we'll ever know and I don't know that we'll ever hear his side of the story.
[00:51:38] But now they're going to claim this is this just proves he's mentally ill, this struggle and this kind of rant.
[00:51:45] But maybe just maybe there's more to this story.
[00:51:48] He's not the guy.
[00:51:49] I don't know that.
[00:51:50] I'm just saying this is something that nobody seems to think about, Lance.
[00:51:55] Yeah, for sure.
[00:51:56] I mean, you know, we've gotten very conditioned to think because the Department of Justice or the FBI, you know, or local law enforcement says something that is supposed to be immediately credible.
[00:52:09] And they use the news to their benefit and they manipulate the news and the information that gets put out.
[00:52:15] So, you know, this is a pattern that I don't think is new to anybody.
[00:52:19] But there's just something about this event.
[00:52:22] And it almost feels, even though I talked about the anger earlier and where the American public is really at, it feels so oddly random.
[00:52:30] And yet here we are with this random event that they have just a tremendous amount of details in a very short window of time.
[00:52:37] Those two don't go together.
[00:52:42] So we've got this question then.
[00:52:44] They say that because he shouted this and struggled, you know, when they kind of hauled him for the hearing in front of reporters, that now that means that, hey, he's probably mentally ill.
[00:52:52] They're going to do a psychiatric evaluation on this guy.
[00:52:54] And they're going there because that's what they want is psychiatric evaluations for anybody who has guns.
[00:53:01] Okay.
[00:53:01] That's where they're headed with this thing.
[00:53:03] And so they're setting the stage for so many situations.
[00:53:05] It's not even funny.
[00:53:06] But just because the guy's ticked off maybe and just because he wants to talk to reporters and tell his side of the story.
[00:53:11] How does that make him less stable or less whatever?
[00:53:16] See, they're drawing these conclusions.
[00:53:17] They're jumping to wild conclusions.
[00:53:20] And when you do that, you've got an agenda, George.
[00:53:25] Yeah, they're trying to, you know, paint a picture for the public.
[00:53:28] And, you know, they want you to follow their narrative, to believe what they're saying.
[00:53:34] And we all know that, you know, the mainstream media has lost almost all credibility at this point.
[00:53:40] And that's why people are actually more and more coming to great news radio like Liberty Roundtable to get their news.
[00:53:47] The big, big show.
[00:53:48] That's where it's at these days.
[00:53:50] You want the truth, you come listen here to us.
[00:53:53] Not the mainstream media.
[00:53:54] Now, listen, I know that chicks are wanting to have his baby.
[00:53:57] And he's a rock star.
[00:53:58] And he's so good looking that he's just going viral everywhere.
[00:54:00] Oh, thank you, Sam.
[00:54:01] People are selling merch and everything else for this Luigi guy or whatever.
[00:54:05] I'm not saying that.
[00:54:06] I'm not thinking this guy's great.
[00:54:08] I'm not glorifying this guy in any way.
[00:54:10] What I'm trying to say is in America, we are innocent until proven guilty.
[00:54:14] I don't see a single thing of proof here.
[00:54:16] I see whacked out crazy conspiracy ideas from everybody involved, from the media to the cops to everybody.
[00:54:23] And I'm not liking it.
[00:54:25] I'll tell you that right now.
[00:54:26] Something is wrong with this case.
[00:54:28] We will indeed keep an eye on the ball.
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