Radio Show Hour 1 – 12/18/2024

[00:00:13] Broadcasting live from atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West.

[00:00:18] You are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show.

[00:00:49] Happy to have you along in an absolute preseason Merry Christmas to you, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:00:55] I say preseason because when does it really start?

[00:00:58] I can celebrate Christmas all year round, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:01:02] I am Sam Bushman.

[00:01:03] This is the one and only hard-hitting news that networks refuse to use, Liberty Roundtable Live.

[00:01:07] This is the broadcast for December the 18th.

[00:01:10] In the Year of Our Lord, 2024, this is Hour 1 of 2.

[00:01:14] And the goal always to protect life, liberty, and property, to promote God, family, and country.

[00:01:18] Rejecting revolution unless it's a Jesus revolution.

[00:01:21] Then we're in because we follow the Prince of Peace.

[00:01:23] I've got some incredible guests today.

[00:01:25] The first one, Mr. Duop himself.

[00:01:28] Mr. James Edwards with me, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:01:31] Well-known for the book Racism, Racism.

[00:01:33] Well-known talk show host in his own right.

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[00:01:47] James, welcome back, sir.

[00:01:49] Sam, you have started my morning off on the right foot.

[00:01:52] I salute you for that musical selection.

[00:01:54] As people who know me well understand, in my universe, Frankie Valli is the sun and I am the planet that orbits around his music.

[00:02:06] You know, the guy's still going strong, though, isn't he?

[00:02:09] I mean, even his kids try to mock him when he's like, get away from me, man.

[00:02:11] I got this going on.

[00:02:12] Well, you know, I saw him in concert with my son a few months ago.

[00:02:17] I see him every year, actually.

[00:02:19] He's 90 years old and still on tour.

[00:02:21] And he's been touring perpetually since Sherry came out in 1962.

[00:02:25] I mean, you know, some people have tours every few years and he has never stopped touring.

[00:02:32] 60-plus years of live touring and going strong, baby.

[00:02:38] Now, I don't even know how to attempt to deal with this next story, but I'm going to try.

[00:02:44] Here it is.

[00:02:44] Our dear friend Casey Whalen with us.

[00:02:47] He's an investigative journalist.

[00:02:49] He's a videographer.

[00:02:50] He runs North Idaho Exposed.

[00:02:55] CaseyWhalen.substack.com.

[00:02:57] You can find him basically everywhere if you look online.

[00:02:59] I mean, the guy's just doing a phenomenal job as always.

[00:03:02] He digs in.

[00:03:03] He's the master of the records request.

[00:03:05] We've had him on breaking down how to get that done for all of you so you can do that in your local area as well.

[00:03:11] I'm telling you right now, it's key to just demand records and get facts and get information.

[00:03:16] You really kind of understand behind the scenes what they're doing to us.

[00:03:19] And it lets us level the playing field to a great degree.

[00:03:22] And Casey's a master at that.

[00:03:24] He's also a master at keeping his cool, I might add.

[00:03:28] He's just cool as a cucumber.

[00:03:31] I'm just saying.

[00:03:32] So he's out running around filming people.

[00:03:35] And he's just kind of the silent guy with a camera everywhere.

[00:03:37] Just hangs out, chills, and has a good time.

[00:03:39] And, well, he just, you know, records everything.

[00:03:42] And people freak.

[00:03:44] I'm just telling you, people lose their minds, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:03:49] And so Casey came on the radio with us, I don't know, several weeks ago, maybe a couple of months ago, in fact.

[00:03:56] And I guess what happened was, well, we talked about this.

[00:04:02] What's her name?

[00:04:03] Elisa El-Sah-El-Azar, whatever her name is.

[00:04:07] Say her name.

[00:04:07] Elisa Elisa Azar.

[00:04:10] Elisa Azar.

[00:04:11] So Elisa Azar basically had to go to jail for criminal activity.

[00:04:15] Brief us on that story really quick because the second one kind of overlaps, the first one, right?

[00:04:19] Well, there's even one in between that, an incident that happened in between those two.

[00:04:24] So it's pretty interesting.

[00:04:26] So Elisa Azar claims to be a journalist.

[00:04:30] She's an Antifa member over in the Oregon area in Portland.

[00:04:36] And essentially, she was in Clackamas County, which is the county next to Portland, actually.

[00:04:44] And so there was a representative, Daniel Tooze, who was running for Oregon State House.

[00:04:51] And he reserved a spot at Clackamas Park to have flag waving and voter registration, that sort of thing.

[00:04:59] And so he reserved – he had a permitted event at the park, at Clackamas Park.

[00:05:03] And basically, Antifa showed up in black block, dressed all in black, basically.

[00:05:10] And they were there to occupy the space.

[00:05:13] And the Proud Boys had shown up or they were – they found out – Antifa basically found out that Proud Boys were going to show up or something to that effect.

[00:05:21] And so those two groups showed up, and essentially, Elisa Azar deployed a –

[00:05:28] It's a little like the Bloods and the Crips modern time, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:05:31] I'm just saying.

[00:05:32] So basically, Antifa tried to show up to occupy the space, as Elisa testified to in her case.

[00:05:40] And there was – she was charged with disorderly conduct in the second degree and riot.

[00:05:45] And so she was essentially charged with riot, rioting, after the – there was a jury trial in August in Oregon City, Oregon this year.

[00:05:55] And so you had Antifa –

[00:05:56] Did she go to jail?

[00:05:58] Yeah.

[00:05:58] So she had Antifa showing up for her trial.

[00:06:01] We had – the Post Millennial was showing up.

[00:06:04] Chelly Balfarache and Katie Davis Court were showing up to document this.

[00:06:09] And they did a really great job.

[00:06:10] So if you guys want to get some more information about this story in great detail, you can go to thepostmillennial.com, and you can check that out.

[00:06:18] And so essentially, after she was found guilty, she was charged with 14 days in jail, 36 months supervised probation with a GPS monitoring device in that case.

[00:06:31] And then the third charge, actually, the deployment of a chemical weapon, it was a hung jury.

[00:06:37] So that's going to be – there will be a jury trial on – in February for that charge.

[00:06:43] But she was charged with rioting, which is a felony, and then the disorderly conduct is a misdemeanor.

[00:06:51] So she did the 14 –

[00:06:52] Now, the discharge of this weapon is interesting, too.

[00:06:54] What did she do?

[00:06:55] She sprayed people?

[00:06:57] She tried to spray somebody – a woman with pepper spray, essentially.

[00:07:00] And so it was all on video.

[00:07:01] There's a drone of Antifa members getting shields and, you know, different things out of their vehicle.

[00:07:07] And so the jury saw this, and they saw what she was – she was trying to act as a journalist, but the jury saw through it that she was really trying to cause –

[00:07:15] So she lied, said she was a journalist, but then all the documentation, video showing that she was a prepared rioter from the get-go, right?

[00:07:22] Well, and she had been charged in the past with things, too, you know.

[00:07:26] And she was actually – in May of this year, she was at Portland State University, and she was in the Pro-Hamas event.

[00:07:33] And there's a group of people that took over the library at Portland State, and she was charged with trespassing in the second degree.

[00:07:40] And so that case was coming up here in January.

[00:07:45] All right, so that's Alyssa Azar, Antifa member, had to go to jail, multiple charges, rioting, felonies, and everything else.

[00:07:52] Well, in the wake of that is the second case.

[00:07:55] Then we'll get to the third case that we're going to drill into here.

[00:07:58] What happened secondarily?

[00:07:59] So basically after she was charged – or she was sentenced in August, outside the courtroom, a gentleman named John Hacker, who's part of Antifa, just randomly attacked a guy on the street.

[00:08:13] And so he was charged.

[00:08:15] And so he's currently going through the court right now for that.

[00:08:19] And then the following – so she was found guilty in August, Alyssa Azar was.

[00:08:25] And then in September she was sentenced, and I went to the Oregon City courthouse, the Clackamas County courthouse.

[00:08:33] And basically I filmed Antifa going into the courthouse and Antifa leaving the courthouse.

[00:08:40] But in August, the month prior –

[00:08:42] He's chilling, cool as a cucumber, just filming, and they're losing their minds, people.

[00:08:47] Go ahead, sir.

[00:08:48] Yeah, so in August, John Hacker attacked a gentleman.

[00:08:52] He was charged.

[00:08:52] And then in September, Alyssa's sentenced, and I'm outside just filming.

[00:08:56] And I'm following Antifa down the sidewalk because I was trying to catch up to the front.

[00:09:01] I was trying to find the lawyer who represented Alyssa Azar, Laura Reagan of the Civil Liberties Defense Center.

[00:09:08] And she had obviously gotten to a car and left, but I was kind of following him down the sidewalk.

[00:09:13] And then a lady named Natalia Leah Gudvis, she's 26.

[00:09:18] She goes to Portland State University.

[00:09:22] She's part of Antifa.

[00:09:24] She's actually also part of the Portland Public Schools, or she's an educator in the system there, in the area.

[00:09:31] And so anyways, she and another gentleman tried to harass me or block me while I was walking down the sidewalk.

[00:09:40] And she was getting in my face and saying, you know, do you feel intimidated and whatever.

[00:09:45] And I just didn't let it bother me, and I walked around him.

[00:09:49] And then long story short, as I was walking back to the courthouse, we crossed paths again, and she got in my face.

[00:09:56] I was blocking my face with my hat, and then we kind of got into it, and I said a couple words to her.

[00:10:05] Let's play the video of this, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:10:07] It was live coverage.

[00:10:09] Casey recorded it, and it really documents the next arrest we're going to be discussing in detail, this lady here.

[00:10:16] It's interesting.

[00:10:17] She starts out all nice, trying to somehow trigger Casey.

[00:10:21] Didn't work.

[00:10:22] We'll skip the break, but here's the clip.

[00:10:24] Crazy behavior.

[00:10:30] I'm just trying to annoy you, bro.

[00:10:31] That's fine.

[00:10:32] You don't annoy me.

[00:10:33] It's working, though.

[00:10:34] Nope, not really.

[00:10:35] Yeah, it is.

[00:10:35] You're a little annoyed, aren't you?

[00:10:36] Nope.

[00:10:38] Standing here filming in public.

[00:10:41] Do you get health insurance for that?

[00:10:42] Go away.

[00:10:43] Go away?

[00:10:44] I thought you wanted my picture.

[00:10:47] Stay back.

[00:10:49] Stay back.

[00:10:52] Okay.

[00:10:52] You want to smile?

[00:10:53] You want your picture taken?

[00:10:55] Fuck you, bitch.

[00:10:55] Fuck you, bitch?

[00:10:56] Fuck you, bitch?

[00:11:00] Hey, don't push me out.

[00:11:02] You called me a fucking bitch.

[00:11:03] Bitch.

[00:11:04] You're under arrest.

[00:11:06] Put your hands behind your back.

[00:11:08] Put your hands behind your back.

[00:11:09] You're under arrest.

[00:11:20] Hey, you're back.

[00:11:21] Hey, you're back.

[00:11:27] All right, there you go.

[00:11:28] You can cut it off.

[00:11:29] So that, it gets radical, and I, you know, I know that I should be bleeping that stuff out.

[00:11:33] Okay?

[00:11:34] And normally I would.

[00:11:35] I'm glad there was a train.

[00:11:37] Normally I would, but in this case I didn't, partly because there's a train, partly because it wasn't direct.

[00:11:42] It's like you have to listen difficult for it in the first place.

[00:11:46] Yeah.

[00:11:46] And so I was afraid.

[00:11:48] Anyway, you listen to that, though.

[00:11:50] And the bottom line is she starts out just trying to trigger Casey.

[00:11:53] Hey, you're getting annoyed by us, aren't you?

[00:11:55] And you're this, no, just chilling.

[00:11:57] And then she loses her mind, goes crazy, attacks Casey, gets arrested right on the spot.

[00:12:04] Now, usually Antifa lets that stuff go, and the cops end up being kind of part of Antifa in this thing.

[00:12:12] It's a little strange.

[00:12:14] Anyway, the bottom line is this Portland Antifa associate, Natalia, what is it, Gudvis?

[00:12:24] Yeah.

[00:12:25] Pleads guilty on this, you know, attack on this Casey Whelan videographer.

[00:12:32] The headline in this newspaper I find is fascinating.

[00:12:37] They say this, an Oregon judge has sentenced a, quote, mentally unstable Portland Antifa associate to 12 months of probation for committing, quote, criminal acts of violence outside of the,

[00:12:54] I can't even say all these names, people, Clackamas County Courthouse back in September.

[00:13:01] Anyway, so there, I mean, several things shocked me on this.

[00:13:05] Number one, Casey's right, as Ray in the video proves it, he didn't do anything, got attacked by these thugs.

[00:13:11] What's interesting to me is the cops dealt with it and arrested her right on the spot.

[00:13:15] I mean, even that's in the video.

[00:13:16] Put your hands behind your back.

[00:13:16] You're arrested.

[00:13:17] This is out of control.

[00:13:18] Stop.

[00:13:19] Then she pleads guilty.

[00:13:20] But this is the third situation where charges are happening from these singular events, folks, that you would think, man, they're just nothing.

[00:13:29] Antifa goes nuts.

[00:13:30] Now, I've never seen the media.

[00:13:32] I've never seen the courts.

[00:13:35] I've never seen the cops quadrupled down in defense of one of our own.

[00:13:39] James Edwards, straight to you.

[00:13:42] This is interesting because this didn't happen in rural Tennessee or even rural Oregon.

[00:13:48] Clackamas County and Multnomah County is Portland proper.

[00:13:52] So you can almost understand that these Antifa adjutants would have believed that this wouldn't have been a problem for them, you know, being a relatively minor nuisance compared to the outright vandalism and arson and, frankly, terrorism that they engaged in in 2020 when almost none of them, you know, when almost no arrests were made or at least the ones that were didn't stick.

[00:14:19] They certainly didn't receive, in most cases, a court date or any sort of sentencing or things like that.

[00:14:28] So I'm fascinated by this story.

[00:14:30] If for no other reason than, well, first of all, it concerns someone who's on the air with us right now, so that makes it doubly interesting.

[00:14:37] But just the trajectory of all this.

[00:14:41] So I would ask, Casey, I mean, do you believe that this high tide of Antifa anarchy might have reached its peak in, you know, 2020 after the aftermath of the George Floyd incident?

[00:14:55] And why do you think now that it may be waning even in places like Portland?

[00:14:59] Well, and Oregon City isn't, you know, isn't Portland.

[00:15:04] It's adjacent, you know, it's near Portland.

[00:15:07] And it's a different county.

[00:15:09] But I just that's one of the things I wanted to address.

[00:15:11] I wanted to thank the Oregon City Police Department and the Clackamas County Sheriff's Department.

[00:15:17] That's it was pretty amazing that day because you had like five patrol units going up and down the street.

[00:15:24] Like they were it was noticeable.

[00:15:26] They had maybe five guys on the street patrolling in front of the courthouse.

[00:15:32] So I knew they were definitely paying attention.

[00:15:35] And as I was walking down the sidewalk before I was attacked and the lady, she pushed me in my lower back as I walked away and tried.

[00:15:43] She tried to knock me over.

[00:15:44] She almost did.

[00:15:45] But essentially they were just they were everywhere.

[00:15:48] So I felt pretty relatively safe.

[00:15:50] And I was sort of pushing it a little bit with her, pushing the boundaries a little bit.

[00:15:56] And then I just finally had had it with her and, you know, kind of called her out.

[00:15:59] But anyways, I thought I was getting arrested, actually.

[00:16:03] But I think that they they.

[00:16:05] And the reason you thought that is because of the pattern that I'm highlighting, that they used to have this kind of viewpoint all over the country.

[00:16:12] And I mean, you look at Charlottesville, you look at all these places and you go, you know, J6, you look at all.

[00:16:17] And hey, anybody that's really a criminal walk free and anybody that's a good, honest American trying to do the best they can gets nailed to the wall.

[00:16:25] We're seeing a sea change is the point, Casey.

[00:16:28] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:16:29] Take away.

[00:16:30] Yeah.

[00:16:30] And that's that's that was what that was very, very noticeable.

[00:16:33] I think that that was the takeaway is that they in that area, they've had it with this and they're just not going to put up with it.

[00:16:41] I think when the gentleman was attacked in August, then they really ramped things up the following month when Alyssa Azar was sentenced.

[00:16:49] So it was extremely noticeable.

[00:16:51] And, you know, depending on how you feel about law enforcement, you know, in that situation, it's extremely, you know, there is definitely a dichotomy here that needs to be dealt with.

[00:17:01] So it's there's definitely a sea change, in my opinion.

[00:17:04] Well, it's it's underway.

[00:17:05] And what I find fascinating is inside the courts, how they've treated some of these Antifa people, too.

[00:17:09] They haven't really treated them with kid gloves.

[00:17:11] When the judge sees the unpacking of these weapons and these things prepared to riot and everything else, you know, we're doing better at documenting our side and highlighting the realities of things.

[00:17:21] And I don't think we realized how necessary that would have been in Charlottesville or J6 or some of these things.

[00:17:26] People are starting to realize now they're like, hey, man, I'm going to make sure I cover everything to the ump degree.

[00:17:31] Every bit of this is going to be documented and recorded, et cetera, et cetera.

[00:17:35] James, I think that's the sea change.

[00:17:38] Well, it is.

[00:17:39] And, of course, to Casey's point, he is correct.

[00:17:42] This is where he was at.

[00:17:43] I mean, to me here in West Tennessee, Clackamas is, you know, just a few miles from Portland.

[00:17:49] So you lump it in.

[00:17:49] But there is actually a very big difference.

[00:17:51] I mean, you can go just a few miles out of some of these big cities and it's a total world apart just in the next county.

[00:17:58] And, you know, don't I know it.

[00:18:00] But, yeah, I mean, the sea changed, Sam.

[00:18:03] I mean, having been involved in this for as long as I have and having always had organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center and the ADL causing trouble for me,

[00:18:13] you look at this going back the 20 years I've been on the radio and in the early days of it, two decades ago,

[00:18:20] it was very damaging to have these organizations and their assorted minions like now Antifa to come after you.

[00:18:29] It could cause you a lot of damage.

[00:18:30] And, of course, if you're working for a woke corporation, I suppose to an extent they still could cause you trouble at work and things like that,

[00:18:37] if you work for the government or if you're working for one of these big companies.

[00:18:42] But and then, you know, about a decade ago, Republicans started to get a spine.

[00:18:47] I mean, they just jumped the shark so much in naming everyone, you know, a neo-Nazi or a white supremacist or racist that went up to and including the singing nuns of Spokane,

[00:18:57] I think, are on the hate list.

[00:18:58] And then now it's almost like you seek that endorsement if you haven't been named by these people or haven't been attacked by these people.

[00:19:04] You don't really have any street cred in the right.

[00:19:08] Right. But, you know, Sam, we were there at the inauguration in 2016 and there were some.

[00:19:14] And that was wild and crazy, man.

[00:19:16] And I was going, hey, let's get out of this melee.

[00:19:18] And so we went and ate dinner at a place with a ton of cops.

[00:19:23] You know, people are like, Sam, you're a wimp.

[00:19:25] You don't want to get into this.

[00:19:26] I just don't want to go to prison on false charges.

[00:19:28] That's all.

[00:19:29] I'm not afraid of the fight necessarily.

[00:19:31] Even then it was and I would get Casey's opinion on this having been someone who's tracked these people and had so much extensive experience documenting their activities in 2016, even at the inauguration.

[00:19:45] I mean, this is the president of the United States being sworn in.

[00:19:47] We were right there and there was isolated instances of violence and arson even right there in the middle of Washington, D.C., which, of course, won't surprise very many people.

[00:19:56] But there it was.

[00:19:57] And then, of course, in 2020, it was nationwide.

[00:19:59] I mean, nationwide riots and occupations and all of that.

[00:20:04] And I'm wondering, you know, certainly they responded in 2016 and 2020 with this organized.

[00:20:14] You know, of output, I guess, of of all of this, and certainly it had to be organized by someone, you know, that we don't know who was coordinating all this, but they didn't just do it by themselves.

[00:20:24] So I would wonder, Casey, why do you think we haven't seen that now in the wake of Trump's reelection that they haven't gotten organized and out in the streets as we saw in 16 and 20 and throughout all of the last decade, really?

[00:20:38] Are they in disarray?

[00:20:40] Has the tide turned to a point now where we can expect laws to be enforced?

[00:20:45] Because this case that we're talking about with you is pretty interesting in that regard.

[00:20:50] Yeah, I don't honestly.

[00:20:51] Let's have Casey respond to this, then I'll respond after, because I got some thoughts on this, too.

[00:20:55] Casey?

[00:20:56] Sure.

[00:20:56] Yeah, I don't really.

[00:20:57] I'm not really sure, I guess.

[00:20:58] Maybe because the DOJ and FBI have picked up a lot of slack.

[00:21:03] You know?

[00:21:05] I don't know.

[00:21:06] Antifa is not.

[00:21:07] I don't know.

[00:21:08] I really don't have an answer for that, to be quite honest.

[00:21:10] But I just think that because of these partnerships with nonprofits and FBI and DOJ, how things have changed the last couple of years in that realm, I think that it's not as needed as it was maybe initially.

[00:21:25] But maybe we'll see a new iteration of that after Trump has sworn in.

[00:21:29] I don't know.

[00:21:30] The next couple of weeks will be interesting for sure.

[00:21:32] But real quickly, I just wanted to say thank you to the Post Millennial and shout out to Chelly Bufaraci, Katie Davis-Court, and Andy Ngo.

[00:21:41] And had the pleasure of working with them a little bit over the last couple of months.

[00:21:45] So they're doing really, really, really great work.

[00:21:47] So make sure to follow the Post Millennial.

[00:21:50] Andy's really been out there and got some scars for sure.

[00:21:54] Yeah, and that's a completely different world.

[00:21:56] That's another thing I wanted to mention.

[00:21:57] I live in North Idaho, so it's relatively safe.

[00:22:01] There's no Antifa here for the most part.

[00:22:03] You've got some liberals that do their thing and these nonprofits.

[00:22:07] But being in that environment, being in Portland and in Oregon City in those environments this last year, you've got to give these people a lot of respect.

[00:22:17] You know, especially the independent journalists that people don't really know their names that are, you know, they're in the trenches getting this information out.

[00:22:25] And one gal outside of the courthouse, I was just kind of filming everybody, and she didn't want me to film her.

[00:22:32] And I found she was an independent, and she was just trying to protect herself.

[00:22:36] So that's something that I don't think people really understand is that it's very dangerous.

[00:22:41] Obviously, Andy knows that.

[00:22:43] But it's Katie Davis Court's car actually was smashed up one time, too.

[00:22:48] So people are really putting it out there for us.

[00:22:51] So I just want to say thank you again to them.

[00:22:54] So go ahead, Sam.

[00:22:55] Yeah, and I've had to because of the CSPOA and my involvement there and everything else.

[00:23:00] There's been some death threats against me and different things like that.

[00:23:02] And some of the places I have to go now, I have to literally have my own protection.

[00:23:07] They don't give me Secret Service, James.

[00:23:11] They certainly should.

[00:23:12] Well, and I'm glad they don't because I don't trust them anyway.

[00:23:15] They might let me get killed on the spot.

[00:23:16] I mean, you know, just look at Trump as the example there.

[00:23:18] I don't trust those people.

[00:23:20] I'd rather have my own private security anyway.

[00:23:21] But I look at this, and I just go, man, this is off the rails.

[00:23:24] But now that we're starting to document the heck out of it, you know, people are starting to have to account for their actions, James.

[00:23:31] James?

[00:23:32] Well, you know, again, I've got to take this to Casey because it's a remarkable and noteworthy topic of conversation just to track.

[00:23:43] I don't want to get too far ahead of myself and call it the rise and fall.

[00:23:46] But do you think that Antifa is basically was something that had an arc over the last 10 years?

[00:23:52] I hear the music and that now they're on the backside.

[00:23:55] I'm going to respond really quick.

[00:23:55] I'm going to let Casey respond on the other side.

[00:23:57] And to answer your question, I would say this.

[00:24:00] You ain't seen nothing yet, buddy.

[00:24:02] So I think that they're regrouping and trying to recalibrate their tactics because they realize the more we document, the more, look, judges are starting to go, wait a minute, hold on now.

[00:24:13] And they're developing a reputation.

[00:24:15] And what they're trying to do is rebrand their tactics in ways that they kind of come back with a vengeance.

[00:24:20] The quiet before the storm, if you will.

[00:24:22] The more successful Trump's agenda is, the more they will lose their minds.

[00:24:26] Remember how she was really nice to Casey at first, trying to trigger him?

[00:24:30] And then she melted down.

[00:24:31] That is the case in point of what's going on.

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[00:31:16] Check all that out, and I'm telling you, try that in a small town.

[00:31:19] Jason Aldean got barbecued for it back in the day.

[00:31:21] But he stood tall and just said, you know what?

[00:31:23] I don't care what you guys think.

[00:31:24] I'm right on this one.

[00:31:25] And boy, howdy is he.

[00:31:26] He's not preaching violence.

[00:31:27] He just said, hey, don't do all those crazy acts.

[00:31:29] If you do, you know what?

[00:31:31] You'll take the hit.

[00:31:31] You'll take the penalty.

[00:31:32] In our world, we're not going to tolerate that crap.

[00:31:34] And boy, howdy, is he right.

[00:31:35] But they attacked him so relentlessly.

[00:31:37] I'm glad he stood tall on the topic.

[00:31:39] And because people are standing tall on the topic, we're seeing a sea change.

[00:31:43] And the tactics of these Antifa thugs have got to change.

[00:31:46] They first try to trigger you peacefully.

[00:31:48] When you don't go for it, they lose their minds.

[00:31:51] And they go crazy.

[00:31:51] We saw it.

[00:31:52] We just talked about three of them literally getting arrested and tried and all this kind

[00:31:56] of stuff or convicted and whatever.

[00:32:00] I guess you don't have a trial when they won't even show up to court to defend themselves

[00:32:03] because they know they've been caught.

[00:32:05] That's what we're seeing in these cases.

[00:32:06] And I said, Casey Whalen, before the break, hey, what's going on here?

[00:32:10] I think you see the lull before the storm, in my opinion.

[00:32:12] I think what they're doing is they're going back to their Antifa training partners and

[00:32:16] funders and George Soros and Cruz.

[00:32:18] And they're saying, hey, man, we don't want to be going to jail over this.

[00:32:21] They're like, OK, listen, we'll retrain you, get some different tactics, get some different

[00:32:25] funding to go ahead and rage against the machine.

[00:32:30] That's my opinion.

[00:32:30] I think it's a calm before the storm.

[00:32:32] I think they're going to come back with some surprising different tactics.

[00:32:35] And I think things are going to get rowdy in the next several years.

[00:32:38] That's my thought.

[00:32:39] Casey, what do you think about James's question?

[00:32:42] Yeah, I absolutely agree with you.

[00:32:43] I'm not very privy to all of what's going on in the Portland area.

[00:32:47] But I do know that they had a Antifa had a recruitment event like a little bit over a month ago,

[00:32:53] I believe it was.

[00:32:54] So I think you're right that they're just changing tactics.

[00:32:58] And we'll see what happens here.

[00:33:01] But I think you're right.

[00:33:03] It's the calm before the storm.

[00:33:05] And they're just retraining and all that sort of thing.

[00:33:10] James, any final questions for Casey?

[00:33:12] Then we're going to let him fly.

[00:33:13] He's busy.

[00:33:14] He's got his hands in a bunch of things which we cannot report on at this time.

[00:33:18] But I'm telling you this right now.

[00:33:20] I mean, this lady pled guilty.

[00:33:21] She didn't even go to court.

[00:33:22] She's like, I can't even defend myself.

[00:33:23] I'm going to get slaughtered.

[00:33:24] Because it was all on tape.

[00:33:26] The cops arresting this lady on tape for just getting crazy.

[00:33:29] Did you get hurt by any chance, Casey?

[00:33:32] Or was it all good?

[00:33:34] I've got a bad back.

[00:33:35] So, I mean, I think I'm dealing with some effects of it.

[00:33:38] But ultimately, I just have a chronic bad back anyway.

[00:33:41] So, ultimately, I think I'm all right.

[00:33:44] But, you know, she's 26.

[00:33:47] Hopefully, she'll learn from this.

[00:33:48] And I've got a son around that age.

[00:33:50] So, you know, when you're young, you do stupid things.

[00:33:54] So, I hope she can learn from this and maybe change her life and maybe do the right thing.

[00:34:00] Wow.

[00:34:01] See how hateful our side is, James?

[00:34:03] That's exactly right.

[00:34:04] I hope she can tell.

[00:34:05] Wow.

[00:34:05] I love it.

[00:34:06] That's called showing grace.

[00:34:07] And our side certainly does that a lot more than the other.

[00:34:11] I would just say before Casey flies, I mean, to your song, Sam.

[00:34:15] I mean, and, of course, that's not always true.

[00:34:16] I mean, a lot of times – well, not a lot of times.

[00:34:18] But certainly there are instances where, you know, if, boy, the media starts bringing pressure down on a judge.

[00:34:25] It's interesting how sometimes sentencing can go if people try that in a small town even there.

[00:34:31] But there is a big difference between – there's no doubt about it – between big blue cities and smaller red areas.

[00:34:40] For instance, you know, Letitia James, what they've pulled in New York, Alvin Bragg is, you know, just an entirely different –

[00:34:50] I can't even call it an interpretation of the law, just an entirely different perversion of the law compared to what you would get in, say, a county in West Virginia,

[00:35:00] which is the reddest state in the union.

[00:35:01] It went more for Trump than any other state.

[00:35:04] So, you know, you would ask the question, will Trump, you know, try to break antifa?

[00:35:08] And, again, it's just really going to come down not to what even a federal DOJ might want, even if they did try to get serious about antifa,

[00:35:16] if they do try to come back in force.

[00:35:19] As you all are saying, it's really going to just come down to where their activities take place, what state, what city, what county,

[00:35:28] and that will determine if the punishment is commensurate to the offense or to the crime.

[00:35:34] But to Casey, I would just say thank you for your vigilance and for your integrity and for getting out there and reporting on these things so people can better understand

[00:35:42] and let their actions be guided.

[00:35:48] I salute you, Casey.

[00:35:50] Thank you, sir.

[00:35:50] Appreciate it.

[00:35:52] Any final thoughts, my friend?

[00:35:55] Not really.

[00:35:55] I just, I think, thank you for having me on again.

[00:35:58] And I do have some things in the works, something locally that people will find very interesting.

[00:36:04] So I have some whistleblowers essentially coming forward and getting some records right now.

[00:36:10] And then there's a couple other stories going on.

[00:36:13] So I'll be back on soon to talk with you about those.

[00:36:15] Truth tellers on your radio.

[00:36:17] Thank you, Casey Whalen.

[00:36:19] Investigative journalist, videographer, doing a great job.

[00:36:23] Casey Whalen.

[00:36:26] Substack.com.

[00:36:27] Check it out.

[00:36:28] North Idaho exposed.

[00:36:29] He's right in the thick of it, by the way.

[00:36:31] And Casey and I have done a bunch of records requests together.

[00:36:34] And I mean, we're breaking this down.

[00:36:36] You know, you think this is happening from the FBI and the other criminals.

[00:36:40] And that's true.

[00:36:41] But this is happening all the way down to the local level.

[00:36:44] And they've been partnering the FBI with the local level.

[00:36:47] And they've been using these fusion centers for their tactics for quite some time.

[00:36:50] And this idea that you and I are all haters and they're going to stop hate everywhere and everything else.

[00:36:55] It's a big lie.

[00:36:56] And what they're doing is they're coordinating from top to bottom government.

[00:37:00] And they're using these fusion centers for their cause.

[00:37:03] Me and Casey have vetted that quite well.

[00:37:05] Me and the CSPOA and Casey on the ground.

[00:37:08] And FOIA requests everything else.

[00:37:09] We've really done some great expose and great work on some of this stuff.

[00:37:15] And it's starting to pay off because now, I guess even in North Idaho, they had to have one of the groups that went by this human rights group and everything else.

[00:37:23] They've been so exposed and so maligned with the truth coming out against them.

[00:37:26] They've had to change their name.

[00:37:29] It's getting that bad.

[00:37:30] So we're gaining ground, people.

[00:37:31] We've got to have more of us involved.

[00:37:33] We've got to remain peaceful and hold the moral high ground.

[00:37:36] But we've got to just deliver on this thing big time.

[00:37:40] James, I wanted to bring this headline up to you for The New York Times.

[00:37:45] Adam Liptec with the piece.

[00:37:47] And the headline says this.

[00:37:49] Confidence in the U.S. justice system plummets.

[00:37:54] And they go into this big new poll.

[00:37:56] Very few countries have experienced similar declines.

[00:38:01] Typically, it happens in the wake of wrenching turmoil.

[00:38:05] So they say, you know, experts put the data together from a new Gallup poll.

[00:38:12] They say stunning and worrisome.

[00:38:15] Public confidence in the American, quote, legal system has plunged over the last four years.

[00:38:21] A new Gallup poll found.

[00:38:23] And they basically show how it's dropped over 20 points.

[00:38:26] And they say putting it in the realm of countries like Leomar, Syria, and Venezuela.

[00:38:38] I kid you not.

[00:38:39] This is in The New York Times.

[00:38:40] And they're saying this is a serious problem.

[00:38:43] It's a serious worry.

[00:38:44] We don't know what to do about it.

[00:38:46] And my only response to this before I pass it over to you, James, is, and they're surprised with how they politicized this, attacked Trump all the way down to Ammon Plenty and Sam Bushman, and then reversed against James Edwards and said, I don't care.

[00:38:59] I can call you a KKK leader when you're not.

[00:39:02] No wonder no one has confidence in the justice system, James.

[00:39:07] Not at all.

[00:39:08] And, I mean, now it's gotten to such a point, Sam.

[00:39:10] I mean, we truly have lived, and over the course of the last 10 years, you have seen a lot of change and a lot of realization from the American public, the likes of which I don't know if I thought was possible in that short of time.

[00:39:31] How much, to see how much trust in these institutions has not only eroded but basically just been eviscerated.

[00:39:40] It just doesn't exist at all anymore to the point now where you have had sitting members of Congress take it as a campaign point to dismantle, for instance, the FBI.

[00:39:51] Marjorie Taylor Greene and others have said we need to entirely disband the FBI.

[00:39:57] So that is just, I mean, obviously incredible.

[00:40:00] And it's not just the Justice Department.

[00:40:03] It's all of the institutions that are under control of the left.

[00:40:07] I mean, look at the media.

[00:40:09] The media has done nothing except attack Trump with every sort of angle imaginable.

[00:40:16] And I think you have seen, and Sam, you and I have talked about this off the air, just a total repudiation, obviously, of the media by the American public.

[00:40:24] I mean, if you got one thing, if you learned one thing from the media was that Trump was this evil guy that you shouldn't vote for.

[00:40:30] He's a thug.

[00:40:30] He's a felon.

[00:40:31] He's all of these things.

[00:40:32] Well, people don't believe that, the people who voted for him at least, because they understand that the justice system is crooked and that these charges and these convictions, these 34 felonies are bogus.

[00:40:45] And so they discount that.

[00:40:47] They discount the media.

[00:40:48] And now, I mean, we have actually seen the day with our own eyes, live to see it, where the new media has, as you've always said, has been taking center stage.

[00:40:58] It has now supplanted legacy media.

[00:40:59] And it's going to be interesting to see what legacy, you know, if you want to call it that, controlled media, establishment media.

[00:41:04] It's going to be interesting to see, like Antifa, like we were talking about before, how these entities are going to regroup and move forward, because it seems as though they're on the retreat for sure right now.

[00:41:21] Even Ray Epps tried to sue Fox News, claiming, oh, how dare you say that I'm part of the bad guys.

[00:41:25] And that got dismissed, defending Fox.

[00:41:29] And Fox basically says, hey, Ray Epps needs to be arrested here.

[00:41:32] And we have video everywhere where this guy literally is a provocateur on January the 6th.

[00:41:36] Then we find out the government had 26 government FBI individuals, at least at the minimum.

[00:41:42] That's only counting one agency, by the way, at January the 6th.

[00:41:47] We're starting to see the tide turn on that thing.

[00:41:49] Then as far as I understand, Donald Trump sues and wins.

[00:41:53] And they got to pay, what, this George Stephanopoulos guy and these clowns have to pay $15 million to a charity and then pay Trump's legal fees.

[00:42:02] And everything else.

[00:42:03] And, I mean, the liberals are losing their minds.

[00:42:05] They're going, wait a minute, all of our tactics are being used against us.

[00:42:09] What do we do now?

[00:42:11] Kind of a deal.

[00:42:12] It sounds like it's a route.

[00:42:14] I don't know if it'll really be that way in reality or what.

[00:42:17] But I find it interesting, James.

[00:42:20] This whole sea change we're seeing, nobody has confidence.

[00:42:23] They don't say public confidence for Republicans.

[00:42:26] They're saying public confidence in the American legal system has plunged.

[00:42:31] And that's everybody.

[00:42:32] Everybody just goes, this is just nuts.

[00:42:35] What's happening?

[00:42:37] And it continues.

[00:42:38] I mean, I look at the case against Damon Bundy and it continues.

[00:42:41] I look at the case that you had.

[00:42:43] I mean, literally, the classic definition in the textbooks was you can't call somebody a KKK leader.

[00:42:51] You can't say somebody if they're not.

[00:42:53] And they literally said in court, we know they called you that.

[00:42:56] We know that it's not the truth.

[00:43:00] But, hey, because of the company you keep, I mean, you hang out with people like Sam Bushman and such.

[00:43:05] But, hey, man, you can't ignore that.

[00:43:09] It's fine for us to say this now.

[00:43:11] I mean, it's just a total sea change in the courts.

[00:43:14] Just clown activist judges going psychotic.

[00:43:17] Well, if that's not enough, I went to court to defend a friend over taxes.

[00:43:21] I was a character witness.

[00:43:23] And literally, I started explaining the whole truth, nothing but the truth.

[00:43:26] And the judge kicked the jury out and said, Sam, you can't tell the whole truth like that.

[00:43:32] You only answer the questions that we ask you, yes or no, and this and that.

[00:43:36] You make your answers short and to the point.

[00:43:37] You don't give any of the back story.

[00:43:40] And I started to say, Your Honor, I can't tell you the whole truth like I swore to do.

[00:43:45] He said, if you don't just shut up, I'm going to just hold you in contempt of court.

[00:43:49] And I'm thinking, wait a minute now.

[00:43:52] I'm the guy in trouble with the court?

[00:43:53] Court for what?

[00:43:54] I came and tried to just explain my answers, give enough back story to be a character witness to tell the whole truth.

[00:44:00] And the judge kicked the jury out, shut me down, scolded me, threatened me with contempt of court, invited the jury back in, and then said this.

[00:44:08] Ignore everything he said.

[00:44:12] That literally happened to me in court, James.

[00:44:15] I remember.

[00:44:16] I remember hearing about that when I wish I could have been there for you.

[00:44:18] I wish I could have been there in the gallery.

[00:44:22] And then they're like, hey, confidence in the U.S. justice system seems to be plummeting, and we're not sure why.

[00:44:27] It's like, how retarded are you people?

[00:44:30] What do you mean you don't know why?

[00:44:31] You don't understand it.

[00:44:32] It's scary.

[00:44:34] It's scary because you have a bunch of clown activist judges that think they're above the law.

[00:44:38] They think they're God in their courtrooms.

[00:44:40] Okay?

[00:44:41] If you're going to have Sam Bushman tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God.

[00:44:45] And I say that and swear in.

[00:44:48] You're going to get the whole story, or I'm not going to talk at all.

[00:44:52] Because otherwise, you're going to get a curated, manipulated truth.

[00:44:58] Because if I just have to say yes or no or a short answer, and you can't get the back story, then you can't know the whole thing.

[00:45:06] Sam, did you punch this guy in the nose and break his nose?

[00:45:09] Well, let me explain the story.

[00:45:11] My wife was almost to die.

[00:45:14] But, yes, I hit the guy in the nose.

[00:45:16] But, you know, look, it's justified.

[00:45:18] It makes sense.

[00:45:19] People are going, okay, you know what?

[00:45:20] I get it.

[00:45:21] But if I just have to say yes, I punched him in the nose and broke his nose.

[00:45:24] Well, Sam, you're guilty of breaking his nose.

[00:45:26] Hold on.

[00:45:27] The context is so vital.

[00:45:29] Can't tell the context, Sam.

[00:45:30] Shut up and sit down.

[00:45:31] We'll hold you in contempt of court, buddy.

[00:45:33] Who do you think you are?

[00:45:34] Okay, this is nuts.

[00:45:38] Anyway, I wanted to bring that up because even the New York Times is starting to have to highlight this reality.

[00:45:45] Ladies and gentlemen, it gets more interesting.

[00:45:47] Why?

[00:45:48] Because remember the George Floyd deal?

[00:45:50] Anybody that was involved in that was considered an evil, hating blacks, white conspiracy, choke him out and murder him.

[00:45:58] And, man, it was just crazy town, right?

[00:46:03] And there were all kinds of experts saying, hey, he probably wasn't choked to death.

[00:46:07] He had a drug overdose.

[00:46:09] No, we're not going to listen to any of that, any of that, any of that.

[00:46:12] Now we're even seeing a sea change in that, according to the Daily Caller.

[00:46:16] Headline says this.

[00:46:17] A federal judge has allowed attorneys for Derek Chauvin to examine tissue samples from George Floyd's heart as part of a, quote, appeal challenging the former Indianapolis police officer's conviction, James.

[00:46:37] I saw this.

[00:47:07] Retrial.

[00:47:08] They're going to look at this one piece of the puzzle, and maybe it goes somewhere from there.

[00:47:16] But I tend to doubt it.

[00:47:18] But in any event, it's interesting that they even let him have this much.

[00:47:24] Hopefully it'll go well for him.

[00:47:25] I don't think he should be in prison.

[00:47:27] But I think, of course, I don't know if anybody in America really has this quaint notion anymore that when you go into a court of law, whatever the judge's personal political beliefs may be, they just get put aside and lady justice is blindfolded.

[00:47:43] And the judge, regardless of his personal feelings, is just going to stick to the letter of the law because that's what judges do and that's what the courts do in a first world country.

[00:47:54] Of course, to your point earlier, I don't even know for quite that anymore in a lot of ways, especially in these blue areas when it comes to things like the law.

[00:48:05] But, of course, if you go into a court with a liberal activist judge, the law just does not matter.

[00:48:15] I mean, we've seen it in trivial cases like mine and then certainly more important cases like Shogun.

[00:48:19] Yeah, but that's got to stop or else you will just have nothing more but continue eroding of trust in the courts, though.

[00:48:23] It's got to stop.

[00:48:24] Well, I mean, yeah.

[00:48:25] And again, this goes—

[00:48:26] What's the thing, James, is they've got to impeach these thugs for being activists from the bench.

[00:48:31] Instead of interpreting the law, they think they're the law.

[00:48:33] Instead of, okay, these people have to be impeached and removed from office and prosecuted for their crimes.

[00:48:39] Again, but the big thing is, which I've gone back and talked about for years and years and years,

[00:48:46] is you don't really have just a single entity that is the United States.

[00:48:51] You have red and blue areas and jurisdictions, and it's totally different.

[00:48:59] I mean, the kind of treatment you could expect in a court in Fulton County, Georgia,

[00:49:04] under the jurisdiction of Fonnie Willis is entirely different than you're going to get probably out in Utah.

[00:49:10] And it just—I mean, it really just comes down to what venue you get.

[00:49:14] But there's going to be two radically different experiences with the law and with the so-called justice system

[00:49:21] and with the so-called courts.

[00:49:22] It just depends on where you land.

[00:49:24] And certainly a lot of cases, a lot of famous cases would have gone very differently.

[00:49:30] If they had O.J. Simpson's trial where he lived in Calabasas instead of downtown Los Angeles,

[00:49:38] which had nothing to do with where the crimes took place,

[00:49:41] he would have been in prison for the rest of his life for murder.

[00:49:43] I mean, it's just one example.

[00:49:44] The Chauvin example is another one.

[00:49:46] I mean, if it had been in a—

[00:49:48] You're right.

[00:49:49] And what if your case had been in a different court, too?

[00:49:52] I think that your case would have turned out differently.

[00:49:54] They would have said, look, you can't call this guy a KKK leader.

[00:49:57] I think, you know, in my case, and I think it's true with Chauvin, too, unfortunately,

[00:50:01] it was just at the height of a lot of this hysteria.

[00:50:06] 2016, Trump was on the rise.

[00:50:09] The left was really active and motivated, and no judges wanted to be on the, you know,

[00:50:15] the, quote, wrong side of history, as they always put it.

[00:50:17] And Chauvin, that thing was just so politicized by the media.

[00:50:20] I'm not sure if he could have actually gotten a fair trial anywhere with the amount of pressure

[00:50:23] it was going to be on the judge to give the quote-unquote right—

[00:50:27] I would have given a fair trial.

[00:50:27] I would have just looked at the facts in the case and said, hey, we either need to determine

[00:50:32] if he died of a drug overdose or he died from choking, factually, by multiple, you know,

[00:50:38] third-party experts in the field, and or if I don't know—and this is one thing we really

[00:50:44] need to understand from the founding fathers and from a fully informed jury point of view—hey,

[00:50:48] if we're not sure, we've got to err on the side of innocent and still guilty.

[00:50:52] We don't lead towards guilty unless we absolutely believe or are convinced that we know.

[00:50:57] Otherwise, if we're not sure—so no matter what, Chauvin should have been let go because

[00:51:02] we're not sure, James.

[00:51:03] An important point I just want to clarify is, in my case, it was decided by a judge or actually

[00:51:10] a panel of judges, three.

[00:51:11] Yeah, you never even got a jury in your case.

[00:51:13] Well, there is a difference.

[00:51:15] So you say, well, who cares about the judge?

[00:51:17] You've got a jury here.

[00:51:18] Well, again, if you have a jury that comes, like in Trump's cases, even if—take the judge

[00:51:24] out of it for a minute.

[00:51:25] The jury pool, is that a jury of Trump's peers and, you know, 90% Democrat Manhattan?

[00:51:31] Or is it, you know, again, Trump would have gotten an entirely different jury in another

[00:51:35] jurisdiction, and he wouldn't have been found guilty.

[00:51:37] And of course, even if you get a jury who wants to do the right thing, there is an—can

[00:51:43] you imagine being on a jury at the height of Black Lives Matter when they were literally

[00:51:47] killing people and terrorizing cities and the media was all too quick to, you know, reveal

[00:51:52] some identities of some of these jurors?

[00:51:55] I mean, you would have had to—I'm sure there was a lot of pressure, even if a juror

[00:51:59] wanted to vote not guilty in a case, whether it be Chauvin's or whatever, that they are

[00:52:03] in very fear for their life.

[00:52:06] I would have voted not guilty, and then I would have basically hired security, and then

[00:52:09] I would have sued the socks of all those suckers.

[00:52:11] That's what I would have done.

[00:52:14] Well, suffice it to say, not everybody in America has your cojones, Sam.

[00:52:18] Hey, man, I'm a little crazy, but I'm telling you right now, though, this is very, very fascinating.

[00:52:23] And I'm telling you that we've really got to kind of understand some of these things.

[00:52:27] And we've got to realize this federal judge, Paul Mangelson, I think is his name, Mangelson,

[00:52:36] he has guts to at least say we're going to look at this, and I have a lot of respect for

[00:52:40] him for doing so, and I commend him for his leadership on this.

[00:52:43] He's just saying, look, you know, we convicted too early.

[00:52:46] We should have discovered the reality of this.

[00:52:49] And the problem is the previous judge took it so politicized that they really forced

[00:52:54] the jury to move forward and take action.

[00:52:56] A lot of times the jury doesn't realize they can try the case, and they can try the law before

[00:53:00] them in the case.

[00:53:02] In other words, they can say, you might have broken the law, but in this specific case,

[00:53:05] we're going to let you off for these reasons or whatever.

[00:53:06] A fully informed jury understands that.

[00:53:09] What a jury that's ignorant does is they just say, whatever the judge says is the case.

[00:53:17] And see, smart people say, no, the judge isn't God here.

[00:53:21] We're dealing with this case, and the judge can give his own instructions, but he can't

[00:53:25] manipulate the law.

[00:53:26] In other words, you can't say you must convict, or here's your only choices, or here.

[00:53:30] Okay, the judges do this all the time, and that further erodes the situation.

[00:53:34] So did you ever have a jury in your case at all?

[00:53:37] No, we tried to get that.

[00:53:38] That's exactly what we were expecting we would get, because again, you had the textbook example

[00:53:42] of libel being met according to the restatement of torts.

[00:53:45] It was to allege that someone is a...

[00:53:48] Yeah, but see, if you don't get a jury, then there's no justice for you, my friend.

[00:53:50] Well, and again, these judges were just not going to run afoul of the tides at that time.

[00:53:54] These could have been activist judges as well.

[00:53:57] But again, I hope that Trump goes on a revenge tour and cleans out the BOJ.

[00:54:01] I've got to sue him back if he never got a fair jury trial.

[00:54:04] I hope he goes on a revenge tour and cleans out the BOJ and the FBI, but it's still going

[00:54:07] to matter if you just get one of these jurisdictions that are left-wing republics like Atlanta

[00:54:12] or Hennepin County, Minnesota.

[00:54:13] We'll see.

[00:54:14] Well, I endorse Cash Patel, so that's the start we need.

[00:54:17] I'll tell you that, ladies and gentlemen, right now.

[00:54:19] I publicly endorsed him because he's spot on, and we're grateful for his leadership and

[00:54:23] involvement.

[00:54:23] We'll support him 100%.

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