Radio Show Hour 2 – 11/25/2024

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[00:00:32] This is the broadcast for November 25th in the year of our Lord, 2024.

[00:00:37] This is Hour 202, the goal always to protect life, liberty, and property, to promote God, family, and country.

[00:00:43] Through so on your radio and the traditions of our founding fathers.

[00:00:46] Yes, indeed, we reject revolution unless it's Jesus' revolution.

[00:00:49] Then we're in because we follow the Prince of Peace.

[00:00:52] Actually, we want to use the supreme law of the land, the Constitution of the United States of America as our guide.

[00:00:58] The checks and balances, brilliant.

[00:00:59] We got a lot to do, folks.

[00:01:01] And I don't know if we're on the right track.

[00:01:03] Lowell Nelson with me, CampaignForLiberty.org.

[00:01:05] Welcome back, sir.

[00:01:07] Back with you, Sam.

[00:01:09] Thank you.

[00:01:10] Quick tidbit I found in the New York Times that I find interesting.

[00:01:14] And I want to get your take on it, then we'll move to a bunch of other topics.

[00:01:17] But I want this really quick.

[00:01:21] Inside the Trump cabinet, there are at least three distinct factions.

[00:01:25] Some of the people Trump has picked I really like, but most of them I'm concerned about.

[00:01:31] They sound good on the surface.

[00:01:32] They've kind of backed Trump, so they're in.

[00:01:35] But it's kind of like Trump's just giving everybody that backed him in tough times payback or political favors, it seems like to me.

[00:01:42] They say this.

[00:01:43] The three factions are one faction focuses on revenge.

[00:01:48] Dr. Bradley wisely warned, revenge is the Lord's, right?

[00:01:52] Another faction on calming the markets.

[00:01:54] But you know what?

[00:01:55] You put a George Soros big fund manager guy in charge of the Treasury Department.

[00:01:59] I don't see how well that's going to go.

[00:02:01] Then the third on cutting people and budgets, which I think is a good idea.

[00:02:08] But I don't have a lot of hope that they can cut the budget a whole lot.

[00:02:12] I mean, I think they will.

[00:02:13] And I think at first it'll look like everything's rocking and rolling, doing really good.

[00:02:18] But that'll only be surface-y.

[00:02:19] When you dig in, you'll find out the devils and the details.

[00:02:22] Two out of these three factions will seem to be browbeating the other to always get the, I don't know what you want to call it, the less of what we could have gotten kind of a thing.

[00:02:33] A lot of these people are insiders.

[00:02:35] A lot of these people have been in government forever.

[00:02:36] A lot of these people are not our friends.

[00:02:38] And I'm very concerned about these three factions that are the Vivek Ramaswamis and Elon Musk guys are going to be running headlong into this gay gentleman that's literally a former Soros money manager, the Scott Ascent guy.

[00:02:57] I mean, look, this guy's in charge of the Treasury Department, right?

[00:03:03] Former Treasurer is going to be the Treasury Secretary.

[00:03:07] Then you got Lori Chavez, Demer, former congressional candidate as Secretary of Labor.

[00:03:15] I mean, she's a big union socialist person.

[00:03:18] Okay?

[00:03:19] You got Alex Wang as a security advisor.

[00:03:21] You've got Jeanette Neshawatt, I think is how you say her name, as the U.S. Surgeon General.

[00:03:29] Dave Weldon tapped to head the CDC.

[00:03:32] None of these people are freedom fighters that I really know.

[00:03:34] How about you, Lowell?

[00:03:37] Yeah, I'm concerned as well, Sam.

[00:03:40] I, you know, we could spend two or three shows just talking about the various appointments that he's made and is making.

[00:03:49] But because, yeah, I guess there's one that I wanted to talk about today, and that's Bonte, the AG, the new, you know, U.S.

[00:04:01] attorney that I think she's not good for freedom.

[00:04:05] And, you know, there's pretty much most of the other cabinet appointments.

[00:04:08] You know, I'm pretty concerned about them all as well.

[00:04:11] So, you know, I think I'm not sure where he's getting his advice from, but I'm not too excited about most of his appointments, Sam.

[00:04:22] Well, let's talk about concerns about attorney general nomination.

[00:04:27] Not only do I have concerns, but Dudley Brown has concerns.

[00:04:30] So do you.

[00:04:32] This is serious.

[00:04:33] Let's talk about this first, and then we can move into our other stories here.

[00:04:36] Yeah.

[00:04:37] So Pam Bondi, who served in Florida as attorney general for eight years from 2011 through 2019.

[00:04:46] So real recently, she is his appointee, you know, after Matt Gaetz withdrew his name from consideration.

[00:04:54] I didn't follow Bondi until now.

[00:04:58] I've only been reading up on her because of Dudley Brown's email.

[00:05:02] Dudley is with the National Association of Gun Rights.

[00:05:06] And so he's coming at this from the perspective of gun ownership and gun rights.

[00:05:11] He has serious reservations about Pam Bondi, and I think it's worth talking about him because our ability to defend radical government is maybe one of the most important aspects of freedom that we have.

[00:05:29] Right.

[00:05:29] Palladium of liberty, you might call it.

[00:05:33] See, in 2018, this Pam Bondi discussed red flag gun confiscation laws with Trump.

[00:05:40] Last night, I watched a 65-second video recording of that conversation.

[00:05:46] She spoke favorably about gun violence restraining orders.

[00:05:50] She said, speaking of those who are civilly committed to a hospital, quote,

[00:05:55] what we want to do is let law enforcement come in and take the guns, end of quote.

[00:06:01] Right.

[00:06:01] That is the first reason Bondi should not be U.S. Attorney General because she supports red flag gun confiscation laws.

[00:06:12] In other words, the due process is circumvented, and you end up losing your guns to law enforcement even before due process has been had.

[00:06:24] So that's the first big red flag.

[00:06:26] That's, you know, about Pam Bondi.

[00:06:30] The second reason is that she actively supported age-based firearm purchase restrictions.

[00:06:36] She also supported banning of bump stocks and waiting periods on gun purchases.

[00:06:42] And this was after the Parkland, Florida shooting, a tragic shooting there in Parkland, Florida.

[00:06:46] These restrictions adversely affect law-abiding citizens, Sam, but they do little, if anything, to prevent such tragedies in the future.

[00:06:57] With these age-based firearm restrictions, Bondi is essentially telling 18- to 20-year-olds that they're old enough to fight for our country in a war zone,

[00:07:08] but they're not old enough to purchase a firearm.

[00:07:11] It's just hypocritical, and it's sad that she would support that.

[00:07:17] The third reason, I just have three reasons here that I'll, you know, from this email from Dudley Brown from the National Association of Gun Rights.

[00:07:28] The third reason, Pam Bondi, she opposes open carry.

[00:07:33] So, in 2012, in the case of State v. Norman, a concealed carry permit holder named Dale Norman was arrested for openly carrying a firearm,

[00:07:44] which violated Florida's ban on open carry.

[00:07:47] Their trial judge rightfully questioned the constitutionality of the ban and referred the matter to the appellate court.

[00:07:55] Attorney General Bondi's office intervened filing documents to prevent the appellate court from reviewing the case,

[00:08:04] and so effectively defending the open carry prohibition.

[00:08:09] Now, I don't know what she filed, because, like, if someone goes to appellate court, they should have jurisdiction to review the case.

[00:08:18] I have no idea what she filed, but, anyway, she defended the prohibition of open carry.

[00:08:25] So, those are the most troubling concerns, Sam.

[00:08:28] I know the National Association of Gun Rights, they like to keep their members updated when our freedoms are in jeopardy,

[00:08:34] and therefore, that's why we got the email.

[00:08:38] Also, in this email, by the way, are a series of questions that ought to be asked of Bondi during her confirmation hearings.

[00:08:44] Number one, will she oppose red flag laws and any law that allows guns to be taken without due process?

[00:08:51] That's question number one.

[00:08:52] Question number two, will she let military-aged young adults purchase firearms and exercise their right to self-defense?

[00:09:01] And three, will she oppose new executive gun controls and support repealing Biden-era gun rules?

[00:09:09] Those are three important questions I hope that our senators will ask Pam Bondi when she comes up for confirmation.

[00:09:16] I hope they will, too, but I doubt it.

[00:09:18] In fact, Pam Bondi, when they had this big old scandal about Trump University or whatever that failed or whatever,

[00:09:24] you know, she nixed that whole discussion, too.

[00:09:26] Now, I'm not here to say Trump's guilty or anybody's guilty or not,

[00:09:29] but I am here to let due process take its, you know, proper play here,

[00:09:33] and she circumvented all that.

[00:09:35] And so a lot of people are saying, oh, let's just vet Pam really well, but I think we're okay on this one.

[00:09:40] I don't think so.

[00:09:41] I stand against Pam.

[00:09:42] I think she's disaster.

[00:09:44] And in my opinion, you know, Dudley Brown,

[00:09:47] um, nigger is absolutely right on this thing.

[00:09:53] Records show she would not be a champion for gun rights as the next attorney general.

[00:09:58] You know, you've got to be a champion for the Second Amendment, sir,

[00:10:01] or I don't think you're even constitutionally qualified to serve.

[00:10:04] I mean, when you get sworn in, you swear you'll uphold that.

[00:10:09] Right, right.

[00:10:10] I mean, you swear no to the Constitution,

[00:10:12] which is that, you know, the national government,

[00:10:16] the general government has no business at all in, you know,

[00:10:19] passing gun laws that affect the state.

[00:10:21] I mean, that's a domestic issue.

[00:10:23] They shouldn't even be in the conversation, Sam.

[00:10:27] You look at the Gun Control Act of 1968, for example,

[00:10:33] that's constitutionally flawed.

[00:10:34] I mean, that's mooted by the Constitution.

[00:10:37] It shouldn't even be on the books.

[00:10:40] Amen to that.

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[00:13:05] Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:13:07] This is Lowell Nelson here on Liberty Roundtable Live,

[00:13:09] riding shotgun with your host, Sam Bushman.

[00:13:13] We've been talking about Pam Bondi,

[00:13:16] Trump's appointment as the U.S. Attorney General.

[00:13:20] He wants her to be his U.S. Attorney General, our U.S. Attorney General.

[00:13:26] And what I'm saying is that this idea that, you know,

[00:13:30] feds have anything to do with guns is erroneous.

[00:13:34] You look at the National Firearms Act of 1934, unconstitutional.

[00:13:39] The Federal Firearms Act of 1938, unconstitutional.

[00:13:43] The Gun Control Act of 1968, unconstitutional.

[00:13:47] The Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, unconstitutional, right?

[00:13:53] You get the idea.

[00:13:54] Even without the Second Amendment,

[00:13:56] the federal government would have very little authority to craft firearm regulation.

[00:14:01] It can only lawfully exercise its delegated powers with all others reserved to the states and to the people.

[00:14:09] Folks, there is no delegated power to regulate firearms in the U.S. Constitution.

[00:14:16] The states did not agree to grant that authority to the general government.

[00:14:22] The only mention of congressional power relating to weaponry, folks,

[00:14:26] is in Article I, Section 8, wherein Congress has given power to arm the militia, right?

[00:14:34] So the Constitution does not authorize any general federal firearms regulation power at all, period.

[00:14:41] End of story.

[00:14:42] So this idea that the Fed should be involved domestically with gun control and firearm regulation and so forth,

[00:14:51] it's a farce.

[00:14:53] And, folks, the sooner we understand that and the fact that the states did not grant to the general government this power,

[00:15:00] the better off we are, Sam.

[00:15:05] Amen to that.

[00:15:06] Ladies and gentlemen, look, I'm not here to criticize everybody.

[00:15:08] I know that Dr. Bradley and I were criticizing several of the different proposals and nominees that Trump has.

[00:15:15] And I don't mean just to be a naysayer, okay?

[00:15:18] I don't mean to just be against everything and against everybody or whatever else.

[00:15:22] But I need to be very bold, very clear about what we're talking about here.

[00:15:27] I don't know what else to say.

[00:15:30] In fact, you kind of wonder.

[00:15:31] You know, Congress has control of the House, the Senate now.

[00:15:35] They had that back in the 94 Republican Revolution, which was an absolute failure.

[00:15:39] Newt Gingrich failed in spectacular fashion, melted down in his personal life, melted down.

[00:15:45] His whole contract with America turned out to be a contract on America.

[00:15:48] It was a disaster.

[00:15:49] Well, they're on the verge of doing it again.

[00:15:51] And it brings up the question, does Congress even care, Lowell?

[00:15:57] Yeah.

[00:15:58] Yeah, that's the big question, Sam, because I don't think they care.

[00:16:02] I don't think they care about the U.S. Constitution.

[00:16:06] They may give it lip service.

[00:16:08] They may say they care.

[00:16:09] They might even take an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

[00:16:16] But do they really mean it?

[00:16:18] Yeah, sadly, I think most do not.

[00:16:21] In an email from last Thursday from John McArdle, he's the executive director of Campaign for Liberty, Sam, we read this.

[00:16:29] Only, quote, only Congress can declare war.

[00:16:32] But they are abdicating that responsibility and letting Joe Biden and the state puppeteers call the shots.

[00:16:39] Unless Congress takes decisive action to rein in the out-of-control Biden regime, you and I could be facing nuclear war.

[00:16:47] It's overly optimistic to think U.S. missiles can be used to attack Russia without consequences.

[00:16:54] The truth is we are closer to nuclear war at this moment than at any time during the Cold War, end of quote.

[00:17:00] You know, this failed U.S. missile strike on Russian targets was an act of war against Russia, Sam.

[00:17:08] They sent six missiles.

[00:17:10] These are the ATACMS tactical missiles, which require the help of U.S. military technicians and intelligence, right?

[00:17:17] They sent six of those missiles into Russian territory last week.

[00:17:22] Five of the six were destroyed before they could do any damage on soil.

[00:17:27] The sixth one did hit it, you know, land in Russia, right?

[00:17:31] Now, this is the kind of nonsense that can and does occur during the lame duck portion of any regime.

[00:17:37] And the question that John is asking in his email is this.

[00:17:43] Is this not an impeachable offense?

[00:17:46] Right?

[00:17:47] So Russia struck back by hitting a weapons factory with a new nuclear-capable missile.

[00:17:52] This particular missile was not armed with a nuclear warhead, but it can be.

[00:17:59] It can carry up to six nuclear warheads, you know, independently guided missiles on this hypersonic missile.

[00:18:08] This missile that Russia fired back into the Ukraine cannot be stopped by any missile defense system.

[00:18:16] Now, I found that a little hard to believe, so I started reading up on it last night.

[00:18:19] And I learned, Sam, that this medium-range ballistic missile launched from Russia, which hit this target in Ukraine,

[00:18:34] can be launched and it can reach any target in Europe in less than 20 minutes.

[00:18:39] Basically, it goes out of the atmosphere.

[00:18:41] It's a ballistic missile, right?

[00:18:43] So it fires up through the atmosphere into space, basically.

[00:18:48] And then upon reentry into the atmosphere, the warheads of the missile reach hypersonic speeds of three to four kilometers per second.

[00:18:57] That is 12 times the speed of sound.

[00:19:00] So they're going Mach 12 upon reentry.

[00:19:04] And, you know, based on the current intelligence out there, Sam, there is no air defense system in the world that can stop them.

[00:19:12] Now, you know, there's a lot of stuff we don't know, but according to what I read, you know, that's what they're claiming.

[00:19:18] No air defense system in the world can stop them.

[00:19:20] Now, fortunately, Sam, Russia...

[00:19:22] And either way, when you escalate to this level, at some point you get past the ability to have peace anyway, right?

[00:19:28] Yeah.

[00:19:29] And the question becomes how disastrous will the results really be?

[00:19:32] And why do we want to bring ourselves closer to this brink?

[00:19:35] Why do we want to be one tick-tock from midnight?

[00:19:37] I don't get it.

[00:19:37] I don't see any value here at all.

[00:19:40] None whatsoever, Sam.

[00:19:41] The good news is that Putin used some restraint in firing this hypersonic weapon with only conventional warheads.

[00:19:50] You know, had he chosen to use nuclear warheads, then we would be having a very different conversation right now than we are having.

[00:20:01] Now, here's the important thing, Sam.

[00:20:04] I want to ask a question.

[00:20:07] Here's a quote, and I want people to ask, to try to think who said this, quote,

[00:20:13] quote, the president has no constitutional authority to take this nation to war against a nation of 70 million people unless we're attacked

[00:20:23] or unless there's proof that we are about to be attacked.

[00:20:26] And if he does, I would move to impeach him, end of quote.

[00:20:32] Who said that?

[00:20:33] I don't want to give it away, but it's going to be a shocking answer.

[00:20:36] I can tell you that right now.

[00:20:39] Yep.

[00:20:40] I thought last night, as I thought about it, it might have come from Ron Paul,

[00:20:44] but then Ron Paul would have added that it's unconstitutional without a declaration of war for the president

[00:20:50] to fire a missile at a sovereign nation like that.

[00:20:54] So I don't think Ron Paul would have said this.

[00:20:56] I don't think you would have said this, Sam, because without a declaration of war from Congress,

[00:21:02] the president has no authority.

[00:21:03] He didn't put that in, but it came actually from Joe Biden in 2007.

[00:21:09] Joe Biden said the president has no constitutional authority to take this nation to war against Russia

[00:21:16] unless we're attacked or unless there's proof that we're about to be attacked,

[00:21:20] and if he does, I would move to impeach him, end of quote.

[00:21:24] That's what Biden said in 2007.

[00:21:27] Well, last week, Biden committed an impeachable offense against Russia,

[00:21:33] one of the world's biggest nuclear superpowers, when he gave a green light to use American-made missiles

[00:21:39] manned by American personnel to attack Russia.

[00:21:43] The bottom line, folks, the U.S. military carried out this missile attack against Russia on Russian soil,

[00:21:49] and Russia knows this, right?

[00:21:52] Unfortunately, they came back with a conventional strike on Ukraine,

[00:21:56] but we are one inch away from nuclear missiles being sent up and raining down on other countries, Sam.

[00:22:07] There was one brave congressman I'm happy to report,

[00:22:11] Thomas Massey of Kentucky, objected to Biden's action.

[00:22:16] He posted this on X, quote,

[00:22:18] By authorizing long-range missiles to strike inside Russia,

[00:22:23] Biden is committing an unconstitutional act of war that endangers the lives of all U.S. citizens.

[00:22:31] This is an impeachable offense, but the reality is he's an emasculated puppet of a deep state, end of quote.

[00:22:41] Wow. That's a fantastic quote, and I'm glad that Thomas Massey is speaking out about this,

[00:22:48] because starting a war without a declaration of war from Congress is clearly outside the bounds of the U.S. Constitution,

[00:22:56] clearly an impeachable offense, and Congress needs to hear from us on this, folks.

[00:23:02] All I can say, Sam, is I'm glad that Putin did not retaliate with a nuclear weapon,

[00:23:07] but we are just inches away from that kind of conflict unless we stop it now.

[00:23:12] Sam?

[00:23:13] I have hope and trust in God Almighty, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:23:17] I have hope in the future for this country,

[00:23:19] and I know when we talk about all these negative folks being put in office and saying,

[00:23:23] hey, they're just going to run this thing off the rails, and hey, there's going to be divisions,

[00:23:26] and we might have a domestic war, kind of a civil war.

[00:23:29] I pray we don't, but it's looking more that way every day.

[00:23:32] I know we might have a famine.

[00:23:35] They got eggs shortages now, and who knows what else coming up.

[00:23:39] And you look at that, and then when we talk about internationally speaking,

[00:23:43] we're closer to war than we've ever been, a possible nuclear war,

[00:23:46] and Joe Biden trying to put Donald Trump into a bad position going in.

[00:23:51] I get all those things, ladies and gentlemen, but I absolutely have hope for America.

[00:23:56] I have hope for the future.

[00:23:58] Why?

[00:23:58] Because I trust in God, and he has not forgotten our nation.

[00:24:01] It's up to us to turn to him and repent, that's for sure.

[00:24:04] Well, there's other people that have hope, too, and they write about it.

[00:24:06] Of course, we'll talk about it.

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[00:30:36] Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:30:39] Sam was talking about hope.

[00:30:41] I have hope as well because I put my faith in God.

[00:30:47] He said in 2 Chronicles 7.14,

[00:31:05] That is the answer, folks.

[00:31:07] We need more of that.

[00:31:08] Well, I want to bookend our discussion about war today with the tail end of Ron Paul's column last week,

[00:31:14] wherein he talked about hope for a new approach.

[00:31:17] He wrote this, quote,

[00:31:18] It is widely expected that in his second term,

[00:31:21] President Trump will return to the maximum pressure policy of his first administration.

[00:31:27] That would be a mistake.

[00:31:30] End of quote.

[00:31:31] Now, why would that be a mistake, you might ask?

[00:31:33] Well, Ron Paul explains this.

[00:31:34] He says, quote,

[00:31:35] The proxy war in Ukraine has demonstrated the futility of sanctions and pressure as a tool of foreign policy.

[00:31:44] The countries under U.S. sanctions have increasingly joined together

[00:31:47] and formed their own pathways to trade and diplomacy without the United States.

[00:31:53] In other words, we did not isolate Russia, China, and Iran with our sanctions upon sanctions.

[00:31:58] We isolated ourselves.

[00:32:00] We are seeing this clearly with the emergency of organizations such as BRICS.

[00:32:06] A more prosperous America requires more foreign trade, not less.

[00:32:11] Frederick Bastiat is quoted as saying,

[00:32:13] When goods don't cross borders, soldiers will.

[00:32:17] We have already seen too much of that lately.

[00:32:20] Someone wrote recently that if only Nixon could go to China, perhaps only Trump can go to Iran.

[00:32:25] Making peace with Iran would be an achievement that would reverberate across the Middle East and beyond.

[00:32:31] It would only benefit Israel to have their current state of war with Iran turned down.

[00:32:36] War destroys.

[00:32:38] Peace builds.

[00:32:39] Let's hope for a new approach.

[00:32:42] End of quote.

[00:32:43] Now, Sam, I realize that was a long quote from Ron Paul,

[00:32:46] But boy, he's so wise.

[00:32:48] I mean, he's been around the block countless times.

[00:32:51] And he's pointing to us.

[00:32:53] He's pointing us in the direction of peace and prosperity.

[00:32:57] If we'll just take his advice, take this new approach,

[00:33:01] and let's start talking to Iran.

[00:33:04] Let's talk to Russia.

[00:33:06] Let's talk to China.

[00:33:07] Let's not, you know, get ready for war.

[00:33:11] Let's get ready for peace.

[00:33:13] And, you know, I hope for this, folks, and I pray for it as well.

[00:33:18] Sam?

[00:33:19] Yeah.

[00:33:20] Yeah.

[00:33:20] And what I really love about his comments, they're not attacking anybody,

[00:33:23] but they are highlighting something important.

[00:33:25] We have a hope for a new approach.

[00:33:27] That's really critical because, you know what, I get the attacks people are making.

[00:33:33] I don't like the personal attacks.

[00:33:35] But we do have to highlight the differences of what these people stand for versus what we believe in.

[00:33:39] And you can't have hope in false things.

[00:33:42] So, for example, if you put a bunch of hawks in the administration, war hawks,

[00:33:46] and then you hope for less war, good luck with that.

[00:33:50] Okay?

[00:33:50] If you hope that God will protect you and preserve this nation,

[00:33:55] but you're not willing to turn to God, you turn your back on God,

[00:33:58] you're hoping in things that are not real.

[00:34:00] That isn't hope, in my opinion.

[00:34:02] So I pray that Trump does not return to the maximum pressure policy.

[00:34:08] I hope he does not do that because it's dangerous if he does.

[00:34:11] It's a disaster.

[00:34:14] We pray he does not do that.

[00:34:16] And we bring this up right now, not because we want to attack Trump,

[00:34:19] but because we're hoping that there'll be common sense advice provided and received

[00:34:26] in a productive, solution-oriented way.

[00:34:29] We've got another sad tale to tell about the U.S. House of Representatives

[00:34:34] we need to highlight for you as well.

[00:34:36] This, again, you've got a lame duck session.

[00:34:38] Lame ducks are always dangerous, lol.

[00:34:42] That's for sure.

[00:34:44] And that's one of the reasons why I'm not for term limits.

[00:34:47] I think it's one of the reasons the founders were opposed to term limits.

[00:34:50] You know, Sam, they had term limits in the Articles of Confederation,

[00:34:54] but when they considered them at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia in 1787,

[00:34:59] they deliberately, conscientiously chose not to impose term limits.

[00:35:04] I think the problem of the lame duck is probably the biggest reason why they – I mean,

[00:35:11] can you imagine senators in a lame duck situation for six years?

[00:35:17] I mean, that is – I mean, the best control we have over these politicians is the threat of their losing their seats if they vote the wrong way,

[00:35:25] if they vote against the Constitution, right?

[00:35:27] Yeah, if I made any changes, I would make the lame duck session shorter.

[00:35:30] I'd put them in office sooner or something like that instead of, you know, January 3rd and 6th or whatever.

[00:35:35] I might somehow find a way to move the election a little later and or move the swearing in a little earlier,

[00:35:41] and I would give them less lame duck time.

[00:35:43] In fact, I don't even know that there should be lame duck sessions at all.

[00:35:46] I'd be perfectly happy if they were just simply out of session once we voted against them,

[00:35:49] and then the new people took office, and there was no lame duck at all, in my opinion.

[00:35:56] Yeah, well, I'd be happy if they weren't in session year-round.

[00:36:01] I mean, just give them a few days a year to be in session.

[00:36:06] You know, that would please me.

[00:36:08] We don't need them to be in session all the time.

[00:36:11] There's so much mischief that they create and so many shenanigans they play when they're back there legislating

[00:36:19] that I'm more and more of a fan of a part-time legislature.

[00:36:24] I like it here in Utah.

[00:36:25] They're in session for 45 days, and all 45 days, your wallet is in jeopardy of being pilfered, right?

[00:36:32] And here we've got Congress.

[00:36:34] They're in session year-round, and just it's not good.

[00:36:38] But let's talk about one reason that the U.S. House is, you know, picking your pocket again.

[00:36:47] This is a column by Adam Dick posted at ronthalinstitute.org last week.

[00:36:52] We get in this column both a great quote from George Orwell and a horrible bill that was approved just last week by the U.S. House.

[00:37:00] So first we go to the quote from George Orwell.

[00:37:03] He says, quote, if liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

[00:37:10] End of quote.

[00:37:11] You'll see what I mean in just a moment when we talk about this bill.

[00:37:15] The Stop Terror Financing and Tax Penalties on American Hostages Act.

[00:37:23] That's a mouthful.

[00:37:24] The Stop Terror Financing and Tax Penalties on American Hostages Act.

[00:37:30] This is H.R. 9495.

[00:37:33] You want that number again?

[00:37:34] H.R. 9495.

[00:37:37] This is the bill that won approval in the U.S. House.

[00:37:39] The vote was 219 to 184, right?

[00:37:44] So it was a pretty close vote.

[00:37:45] Most Republicans voted to approve, and most Democrats opposed the measure.

[00:37:51] Now, Sam, what do we think when we read a bill's title?

[00:37:57] You know, you get a title to a bill like that, you've got to think lipstick on a pig, right?

[00:38:04] If the title says one thing, then the bill probably does another.

[00:38:08] Well, such is the case here.

[00:38:10] This bill would empower the administration to revoke the tax-exempt status of any nonprofit organization that supports terrorists.

[00:38:19] Sounds good, right?

[00:38:22] Well, the designation of organizations as such, meaning as terrorist-supporting organizations,

[00:38:28] that designation is left to the discretion of the Secretary of the Treasury.

[00:38:34] Based on that official's judgment that a nonprofit group has in the last three years provided material support or resources

[00:38:43] to what the U.S. government considers a terrorist organization.

[00:38:47] The language provides for a 90-day window during which time supposed terrorist-supporting organizations can appeal the designation,

[00:38:55] but the burden is on them to prove that they are not guilty.

[00:39:00] So let's just look ahead for just a quick second, though, then,

[00:39:03] and realize Trump pushed for Treasury Secretary, former George Soros money manager, openly gay man,

[00:39:11] Scott Ascent for the office.

[00:39:13] Wow.

[00:39:14] That's who's going to decide this for you, Lowell, if they get their way.

[00:39:18] Yeah.

[00:39:19] This turns due process on its head, folks.

[00:39:22] You're guilty until you prove you're innocent.

[00:39:26] What a powerful tool of censorship, if you ask me, right?

[00:39:30] That is why the quote from George Orwell accompanies this column, because the right to speak your mind,

[00:39:39] the right to speak your conscience would be seriously impaired by this bill.

[00:39:45] You know, if Dr. Ron Paul were in the U.S. House, I'm sure he would have spoken against it.

[00:39:50] But there's a representative from California, Mike Takano, Mark, I'm sorry, Mark Takano.

[00:39:56] He spoke against it.

[00:39:58] And I appreciate his comments so much that I want to share them right here.

[00:40:04] He says, Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong opposition to H.R. 94-95.

[00:40:10] As members of Congress, it is our duty to stand against terrorism and stand up for common values.

[00:40:16] But this bill does neither.

[00:40:18] What does it do?

[00:40:20] What it does is grant sweeping draconian powers to the executive branch to essentially shut down any nonprofit.

[00:40:28] On what basis would future administrations, Democratic or Republican, be able to exercise such power?

[00:40:35] On mere accusation.

[00:40:38] I repeat, on mere accusation.

[00:40:41] All nonprofits could be under scrutiny.

[00:40:43] Sam and I realize we've got a break coming up.

[00:40:45] But that was the essence of this marvelous quote from Representative Takano from California, speaking against this draconian bill.

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[00:43:05] Lowell Nelson, Sam Bushman, CampaignForLiberty.org, breaking down this reality for you.

[00:43:11] I told you the lame duck session was disaster.

[00:43:15] And boy, howdy, is it.

[00:43:19] The U.S. House of Representatives approves legislation in threatening our free speech rights, especially for nonprofits.

[00:43:27] And that will be eventually expanded, folks, to everything we know.

[00:43:31] They call this thing the Stop Terror Financing and Tax Penalties on American Hostages Act.

[00:43:38] H.R. 9495 is the bill that, believe it or not, won approval in the U.S. House in this lame duck session, folks.

[00:43:50] The vote was 219 to 184.

[00:43:53] Most Republicans voted for it to approve, and Democrats voted against it.

[00:43:59] I sadly stand with the Democrats on this one, Lowell.

[00:44:02] Well, and so did Thomas Massey.

[00:44:04] He courageously voted against this bill.

[00:44:07] But you know what, Sam?

[00:44:08] All four representatives from Utah voted for this bill.

[00:44:13] And it reminds me, really, of the Alien and Sedition Acts.

[00:44:17] I mean, same idea, approved by Congress and signed by President John Adams, incorporates the power to shut down dissident voices.

[00:44:26] Right?

[00:44:26] It abrogates one's right to speak his mind and thereby one's conscience.

[00:44:31] And this is just pure evil, Sam.

[00:44:32] It's a chilling effect on one's right to speak out against your government and help to correct the errors that they make.

[00:44:42] We know that they make errors.

[00:44:43] They're human.

[00:44:43] And we know that power corrupts.

[00:44:46] And we know that we need to be able to speak out against these yahoos up there, these public servants who don't honor the Constitution, who don't honor their oath to defend it.

[00:44:56] You know?

[00:44:57] And if we cannot speak out against them, then we really have a serious loss of freedom in this country, Sam.

[00:45:04] Amen to that.

[00:45:05] All I can tell you, folks, is think about this.

[00:45:07] The lame duck session.

[00:45:08] The Republicans push to pass it more than the Democrats.

[00:45:13] Now the Republicans have control of the House, the Senate, the White House, and Donald Trump.

[00:45:17] And they've got this clown, this literal Treasury Secretary, former George Soros money manager, an openly gay man.

[00:45:29] Right?

[00:45:31] Scott Ascent.

[00:45:32] You think that guy's going to stand against it?

[00:45:34] He's going to be like single-handedly, no, we're not doing that.

[00:45:37] We're in serious trouble, folks.

[00:45:40] I'm telling you right now, we better look to the founders for solutions.

[00:45:43] We better look to God Almighty for solutions.

[00:45:46] Look to God for the real answers and repent and turn to him.

[00:45:48] And then look for the way of, in my opinion, principled-based solutions.

[00:45:56] And you can look to the founding fathers for that.

[00:45:59] There's a forgotten founder.

[00:46:01] What's this guy's name?

[00:46:02] Tenge Cox?

[00:46:03] We've got to look, too.

[00:46:04] He provides tremendous guidance, lull.

[00:46:06] He sure does, Sam.

[00:46:08] Another forgotten founder, writer of what you might call the other Federalist Papers.

[00:46:14] You know, the Federalist Papers are really famous.

[00:46:16] They're popular because they are a compilation of the essays written by James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and a few by John Jay.

[00:46:25] But those particular essays were not widely circulated.

[00:46:31] They were basically written to the delegates in the state of New York.

[00:46:37] They did not have much impact outside of New York.

[00:46:40] Yes, they're helpful to understand the U.S. Constitution.

[00:46:42] But if you want to know what essays did have a larger impact in almost every state, you turn to Tenge Cox, because his essays were widely circulated.

[00:46:54] There were newspapers all over it in all the states where they're battling whether, you know, to know whether or not to ratify this new U.S. Constitution or not.

[00:47:06] That's where they were circulated.

[00:47:07] And so Tenge's essays had a big impact on the ratification of the U.S. Constitution.

[00:47:15] You spell his last name, by the way, C-O-X-E.

[00:47:19] I doubt he's related to the current governor of Utah, Spencer Cox.

[00:47:24] But anyway, Tenge Cox is—

[00:47:25] In heaven, he's not.

[00:47:27] Right.

[00:47:28] His writing serves as a valuable resource today as we seek to learn the original legal meaning of the Constitution as understood by the founders and the ratifiers and the limits it places on the federal government.

[00:47:42] Right.

[00:47:42] So, you know, we've talked about this morning already, Sam, how about out of control our federal government is.

[00:47:48] And we're getting these Soros, you know, backed financial money managers, you know, as our treasury secretary.

[00:47:54] I mean, if we do—I mean, he's just one example of the problems we've got up there.

[00:47:59] But if we understand that the states are sovereign and that the general government has no business meddling in the domestic issues of the states,

[00:48:10] then we will be able to defend ourselves against this out-of-control federal government.

[00:48:17] And so we need to understand the five top arguments from Tenge Cox because he basically was writing what was in the minds of the ratifiers when they ratified the Constitution.

[00:48:30] And these five tidbits clearly respond to the bill that was just passed by the House, too, Lowell.

[00:48:36] Yeah, good point.

[00:48:37] Number one, delegated and reserved powers.

[00:48:40] Perhaps better than any other supporter of the Constitution, Cox explained federalism, the division of powers between the state and federal governments, writing this, quote,

[00:48:49] The general government is federal or a union of sovereignties for special purposes.

[00:48:55] The state governments are social or an association of individuals for all the purposes of society and government.

[00:49:02] Cox laid out a careful delineation between the special enumerated powers delegated to the federal government and the mass of powers remaining with the state.

[00:49:12] He hammered this theme in several of his essays, including several lists of powers that would specifically remain with the state governments and those off-limits to the general government.

[00:49:24] After completing a long list of things prohibited to the federal government, he summed it up by writing this, quote,

[00:49:30] Nor can the federal government do any other matter or thing appertaining to the internal affairs of any state, whether legislative, executive, or judicial, civil, or ecclesiastical.

[00:49:42] End of quote.

[00:49:43] Huh.

[00:49:44] That was a very clear outline of, you know, limited powers to the federal government.

[00:49:49] Number two, power flows from the people.

[00:49:52] He went, Cox reaffirmed the long-held view from the American Revolution that the people are the source of all power.

[00:50:00] He went on to insist that the president, the Senate, the House of Representatives will be the channels through which the stream will flow, but it will flow from the people and from them only.

[00:50:12] Like many other Federalist writers that followed, Cox implied that it was up to the people as the source of all power to ensure that the power they delegated to government was kept within its proper limits.

[00:50:25] And this is an important point, folks.

[00:50:27] In other words, it's our job.

[00:50:29] It's our duty to keep the government within its proper limits.

[00:50:35] Number three, point number three from Tench Cox.

[00:50:37] The people would retain the power of the sword.

[00:50:40] Tench wrote this, quote,

[00:50:42] Their swords and every other terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of an American.

[00:50:49] End of quote.

[00:50:50] So his assertion logically flows from the fact that the people are the source of all power.

[00:50:55] That being the case, the people require all the tools necessary to assert their power and authority as needed.

[00:51:02] Right.

[00:51:03] Basically shoots a hole in this idea that, you know, a common American can't own an AK-47 or an AR-15.

[00:51:10] You know, the battle, the tool of a soldier.

[00:51:14] Right.

[00:51:15] Well, Tench is very clear here.

[00:51:17] The people, the militia do merit.

[00:51:21] We do warrant the tools of soldiers.

[00:51:25] Right.

[00:51:25] Right.

[00:51:25] Right.

[00:51:25] And the right of self-defense.

[00:51:27] Um, uh, and he also said this.

[00:51:30] He said Congress has no power to disarm the militia.

[00:51:34] Uh, speaking of men, of men from age 16 to 60.

[00:51:39] Uh, Congress has no power to disarm the militia.

[00:51:43] Um, okay.

[00:51:43] Number four, the President is not king.

[00:51:46] Cox argued that the President would exercise only limited powers and was nothing like a British king.

[00:51:52] He carefully delineated the difference between the executive in the constitutional system and the British king, saying this, quote, our president not only cannot make members of the upper house, but their creation, like his own, is by the people through their representatives.

[00:52:10] All right.

[00:52:11] King possessed legislative power, but the president does not.

[00:52:15] Right.

[00:52:16] The president can veto a bill or approve it with his signature, but that is it.

[00:52:21] He has no role, no other role in the legislative process.

[00:52:27] Finally, number five here, Sam, a union of sovereign states.

[00:52:31] The matter will be better understood by proceeding to those points which shew that, as under the old, so under the new federal constitution, the 13 United States were not intended to be and really are not consolidated in such manner as to absorb or destroy the sovereignties of the sovereign states.

[00:52:52] This is a pretty important point, Sam.

[00:52:55] Right.

[00:52:55] Just because we have the United States, this general union of states, does not take away the sovereignty of the several states.

[00:53:05] He went on to assert that not only do the state governments maintain their sovereignty and independence in the constitutional system, but they are indispensable in its operation.

[00:53:16] So those are the five main points, Sam.

[00:53:18] Tim Cox hit again and again in his essay.

[00:53:22] And basically, he conceded that the greater could swallow up the lesser, but he argued that if that was true, let the federal government take care, for it is surely less powerful than the state governments combined.

[00:53:35] And we need to make sure that remains the truth, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:53:38] He's teaching correct principles of divide, divide, divide, so that no branch gets too powerful.

[00:53:44] All authority comes from the people through delegated contracts with either the state, the general government, etc.

[00:53:50] And we give broad powers to the states, the true 50 sovereign republics.

[00:53:55] And then the general government, which has very limited and defined authority for certain things that, hey, we must be united in.

[00:54:04] That's what it's all about, folks.

[00:54:05] He did a tremendous job breaking that down for us.

[00:54:08] It is the forgotten founding father, and we need to pay attention to his words.

[00:54:11] That's for sure.

[00:54:12] Lowell Nelson, thank you so much.

[00:54:14] You're welcome, Sam.

[00:54:15] My pleasure.

[00:54:15] Thank you.

[00:54:16] Campaign for Liberty dot org.

[00:54:18] Always doing a phenomenal job on your radio.

[00:54:20] Also check out Young Americans for Liberty on college campuses across the country.

[00:54:23] They're doing a phenomenal job as well.

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