Radio Show Hour 2 – 12/02/2024

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[00:00:33] This is the broadcast for December the 2nd in the year of our Lord, 2024.

[00:00:38] This is Hour 2 of 2.

[00:00:40] Always promoting God, family, country.

[00:00:42] Protecting life, liberty, and property.

[00:00:43] Using the supreme law of the land, the Constitution for the United States of America as our guide.

[00:00:47] Loving the checks and balances brilliantly put in place by our founders.

[00:00:50] And rejecting revolution, unless it's a Jesus revolution.

[00:00:54] Then we're in, because we follow the Prince of Peace.

[00:00:56] Welcome to the broadcast, Lowell Nelson, CampaignForLiberty.org with me on your radio.

[00:01:01] And a couple of press releases that we just released that I want to mention and get Lowell's take on.

[00:01:07] The first one is a press release.

[00:01:08] The CSPOA endorses nationwide plan for enhanced deportation efforts.

[00:01:16] We just released it to thousands of media organizations.

[00:01:19] And basically we say this.

[00:01:20] You know what?

[00:01:21] We support Donald Trump's plan entirely.

[00:01:23] Except for we've got to have sheriffs involved.

[00:01:25] Sheriffs are the quintessential local jurisdictional executives.

[00:01:31] 3,000 of them across the country.

[00:01:32] They can coordinate with the 50 states.

[00:01:35] And they can coordinate with the general government.

[00:01:37] And coordination through all these different overlapping jurisdictional realities when it comes to immigration.

[00:01:42] Can come together, the sheriff taking the lead here, providing guidance.

[00:01:47] And you say, wait a minute, Sam, the general government should do that.

[00:01:49] It's an immigration thing.

[00:01:50] The general government makes the rules.

[00:01:52] Congress makes the rules, I agree.

[00:01:53] And the military can be used on the border, the National Guard and everything else.

[00:01:57] But I don't want the military being used internally.

[00:01:59] Rand Paul spoke wisely, recommending against that.

[00:02:02] We do the same.

[00:02:03] Posse comitatus comes to mind.

[00:02:05] So we're literally inserting the sheriffs into this discussion because nobody seems to be talking about the sheriffs.

[00:02:11] They're the ones that are on the ground.

[00:02:13] They're the ones that know the most about the bad guys in their jurisdictions.

[00:02:16] They're the ones that have the ability on the ground to use local policing, to use community policing, to use.

[00:02:23] Okay.

[00:02:23] And so the general government needs to be involved, no doubt.

[00:02:27] But there's a way to have the sheriffs take the lead.

[00:02:29] Have the states take the lead from a governorship point of view.

[00:02:33] And somebody's serving under the governor, the National Guard or whatever.

[00:02:36] And there's a way to not violate our Constitution but a way to have kind of three in a box.

[00:02:42] The sheriff, somebody from the general government, and somebody from the state government.

[00:02:46] It's all three in a box working on this thing using the principle, the term called coordination, to do this.

[00:02:52] You can get rid of the worst criminals first and you identify them and then you deal with this.

[00:02:58] You don't need MRAPs rolling down the streets.

[00:03:00] There's a line we ought not cross.

[00:03:02] And so we issued this incredible press release that relates to that.

[00:03:05] That's number one.

[00:03:06] And we just released it this morning, Lowell.

[00:03:08] Well, I welcome that, Sam.

[00:03:10] That's really, really good news.

[00:03:12] We do need to promote the role of the sheriff in our efforts to keep the peace here in our society.

[00:03:21] Tell me, how was Trump planning to deport illegals?

[00:03:26] Was he going to use the military?

[00:03:27] Well, there's hints of him using the military.

[00:03:30] There's hints of all this stuff, but we don't actually have a plan.

[00:03:32] So I don't know the answer to your question.

[00:03:33] And that's why we're trying to insert the sheriff if we want to sit down and talk about this plan.

[00:03:37] Nobody better than the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, a well-known constitutional organization, training and teaching and guiding and de-escalating and everything else.

[00:03:46] We've been doing it for over a decade, and we can provide that guidance.

[00:03:50] So we need to sit down with President Trump and draw up a plan that doesn't violate the Constitution, draw up a plan that respects jurisdictional boundaries and this kind of stuff.

[00:03:59] And so there's a way forward.

[00:04:01] And right now I hear a lot of people talking, but I don't see a plan.

[00:04:05] And that is what concerns us the most.

[00:04:07] And so we're offering to be partnership or to create a partnership and work on that plan.

[00:04:13] Yeah, well, I like that.

[00:04:14] I think it's a great idea, and I support that.

[00:04:17] I support your efforts in that.

[00:04:19] You know, Sam, I've had a question in my mind for a number of years.

[00:04:24] I'm just simply not clear about it.

[00:04:25] I would love to talk to Scott Bradley about this and any other constitutional experts about this.

[00:04:31] But basically the Constitution mentions the general government is in charge of naturalization.

[00:04:37] They don't say anything about immigration.

[00:04:40] They talk about naturalization.

[00:04:42] That's the power.

[00:04:43] That's the authority the states granted to the general government when they formed the general government.

[00:04:48] The states said, okay, general government, you guys be in charge of naturalization.

[00:04:52] We will continue our role of immigration.

[00:04:55] Because, Sam, as you know, the state, that role on from the very beginning, New York, was a port of entry, of course,

[00:05:03] for many immigrants to the United States.

[00:05:08] And it was the state of New York that handled immigration, not the general government.

[00:05:13] And so I, you know, but there's also the clause in the Constitution that talks about, you know,

[00:05:19] the general government shall protect against invasion, right?

[00:05:23] And so if you characterize illegal immigrants as an invasion, and I tend to do that, then, yeah,

[00:05:31] the general government has a role here.

[00:05:33] But if it's just normal immigration, that's where the states, I think, have that role.

[00:05:40] But, again, I'm very unclear on that point.

[00:05:44] It's just a theory of the Constitution.

[00:05:45] I need some more clarity on, more discussion, more conversation about.

[00:05:51] Yeah, the Constitution does not mention the term immigration, to your point.

[00:05:56] All right?

[00:05:58] Citizenship and naturalization have a lot greater kind of term.

[00:06:05] It's been taught many times that the states are to deal with the internal affairs and the general government's to deal with the external affairs of the country.

[00:06:12] Yeah.

[00:06:13] And that's partly the reason that the border is so important.

[00:06:15] And so when they talk about naturalization and the border and all this kind of stuff,

[00:06:20] they're really talking about, hey, the general government has the authority.

[00:06:23] Because, again, whenever it crosses jurisdictional boundaries, then you can say, hey, it's hard for a given jurisdiction to deal with it.

[00:06:31] So how do you bring those together?

[00:06:33] The states have jurisdictional boundaries that relate to the border.

[00:06:36] And so I bring this all up because Congress has the authority to deal with the naturalization and the citizenship statuses and the requirements and all this kind of stuff.

[00:06:48] The general government should be dealing with the external affairs.

[00:06:50] In other words, the general government should be dealing with the border.

[00:06:54] Yeah.

[00:06:55] All right?

[00:06:55] But then the states and the counties should be dealing with the internal affairs of the nation.

[00:07:01] So I'm going on founder-esque knowledge, and I'm going on jurisdictional boundaries, and I'm going on this for my guidance on your question.

[00:07:08] And I agree 100%.

[00:07:11] Let's get others to answer it, too.

[00:07:12] But to me, what you've got is these jurisdictional boundaries.

[00:07:15] And what you've got to do is create coordination when you're dealing with this stuff.

[00:07:18] And that's why I say you could have the sheriff, the governor, and somebody from the general government, all three in a box.

[00:07:23] You know what?

[00:07:23] The first point of contact would be those three together and say, look, how do we deal with when it crosses state boundaries?

[00:07:29] How do we deal when it crosses federal or, you know, United States boundaries?

[00:07:34] How do we deal when it is in a given chief executive of the county, the CLIO, chief law enforcement officer of a county?

[00:07:40] When it's in his county, how do we deal with this?

[00:07:42] How do we work together?

[00:07:42] And that's why coordination is so vital and so important because we can protect the jurisdictions.

[00:07:47] We can have jurisdictional integrity this way.

[00:07:49] We can have the general government doing what it's supposed to do this way.

[00:07:51] The state's doing what they're supposed to do that way.

[00:07:53] The county's doing what they do best locally on the ground that way.

[00:07:56] And everybody can be informed and in the know and involved and we can deal with this.

[00:08:00] But that's why it's so important to sit down and create a plan with coordination at the center of it.

[00:08:05] And that's why we're advocating so hard for this, to your very point.

[00:08:09] And so, you know, immigration, what does that even mean?

[00:08:13] Well, you know, do you come here temporarily?

[00:08:17] Well, that's naturalization.

[00:08:21] Or, you know, okay, where do the guidelines come from?

[00:08:24] The answer is Congress.

[00:08:26] And the answer is the general government is supposed to protect our borders.

[00:08:30] And so how do you coordinate all that?

[00:08:33] How do you have respect for all that?

[00:08:34] And it only works when good, honest people want to respect jurisdictional boundaries.

[00:08:38] When people come to the table with a desire to say, listen, we get that this is a sticky topic.

[00:08:43] We also get that we understand the founding fathers' intent.

[00:08:46] We also get that some of this is charting new territory.

[00:08:48] That's why we want to sit down and have a coordinated effort to deal with this thing and respect boundaries, respect authority in given jurisdictions.

[00:08:55] And it can be done.

[00:08:58] Yeah.

[00:08:59] Right?

[00:08:59] What's a lawful resident, for example, versus a citizen, versus this, that Congress decides all that stuff.

[00:09:07] Mm-hmm.

[00:09:08] Right?

[00:09:08] Yeah.

[00:09:08] And so how do we, you know, deal with those boundaries?

[00:09:11] We're proposing to sit down and work through it.

[00:09:13] But we have a lot of guidance from previous historical court cases, from what's happened in the past.

[00:09:18] From the founding fathers' viewpoints, how do you not divide families?

[00:09:22] How do you get rid of the worst criminals among us?

[00:09:24] Believe it or not, I put a 10-point plan together and even did a video on it, lol, about immigration and how to deal with this stuff properly.

[00:09:31] We can separate the criminals from the non-criminals first.

[00:09:34] We can, as Ryan Paul wisely pointed out, go after the worst of the criminals first.

[00:09:38] There's probably 30,000, 50,000 hardened, you know, murderers and rapists and everything else.

[00:09:44] Let's find and deport and put those people in our jails or in foreign jails immediately.

[00:09:50] And then we can talk about the next step, right?

[00:09:53] Well, let's do that then and use the sheriffs on the ground locally, the chief executive officer in their jurisdiction.

[00:09:59] Let's use the states when it crosses county lines.

[00:10:03] Let's use the general government when it crosses state lines and when it relates to the border.

[00:10:07] And let's be clear about who's in charge when, based on when we're in a given jurisdiction, that person would be in charge, right?

[00:10:15] And so on.

[00:10:15] This is very easy if you believe in the founding fathers and if you want it to work.

[00:10:20] On the other hand, if you have a different agenda, this becomes messy and discombobulated and confused and in a power fight fast.

[00:10:28] If you seek for power.

[00:10:30] Go ahead and skip the break.

[00:10:31] I like your response.

[00:10:33] Yeah, yeah.

[00:10:34] I'm with you, Sam.

[00:10:35] You voiced pretty much, you know, my concerns and my sentiment.

[00:10:40] I think it's a good idea to get the sheriffs involved during conversation, put together a plan, and then execute.

[00:10:48] I think that's a good way to go.

[00:10:50] All right.

[00:10:50] Next topic and next press release that we're putting out right now.

[00:10:53] We're waiting for approval on the press release right now.

[00:10:56] Donald Trump has nominated a guy by the name of Chad Chronister.

[00:11:00] He's the sheriff of Hillsborough County, Florida, to be the next DEA, drug enforcement agent.

[00:11:07] I don't know, czar, administrator, whatever you want to call it.

[00:11:10] The problem is this guy's a thug.

[00:11:12] So we're writing a press release.

[00:11:13] We reject Sheriff Chad Chronister to run the DEA.

[00:11:17] Why?

[00:11:17] Because he arrested a Christian pastor in Florida by the name of Rodney Howard Brown during the COVID lockdowns.

[00:11:25] He arrested the guy.

[00:11:26] And it turns out that eventually the charges were dropped.

[00:11:28] It was just misdemeanors.

[00:11:29] And this Chad clown sheriff literally went to the press and was all excited.

[00:11:33] The arrest of this guy shut down this church.

[00:11:36] Nothing else.

[00:11:36] What a stain on proper law enforcement.

[00:11:40] What a stain on the office of sheriff.

[00:11:43] And what a shame this guy is.

[00:11:44] How Donald picks these people, I don't even know.

[00:11:46] But we're rejecting it and standing up against it as well as conservatives across the country are speaking out going,

[00:11:52] Whoa, hold the heck on.

[00:11:54] We've got to stop this clown.

[00:11:56] Yeah.

[00:11:57] Well, good.

[00:11:59] I think it's important for sheriffs to know each other.

[00:12:02] And obviously you've done some homework on him.

[00:12:05] And, you know, he has a track record that you would not be proud of.

[00:12:09] So let's not promote the ones who, you know, don't do the right things, who violate constitutional protections.

[00:12:18] And that's not the guy you want to promote.

[00:12:22] Amen to that.

[00:12:23] We've got to get the government out of a lot of areas.

[00:12:25] I'll tell you that right now.

[00:12:26] Getting the government out of the classroom right front.

[00:12:28] Paul is one of the top points to make.

[00:12:31] Like, I'm fearful about this one that they won't really get it done, that they'll just move a bunch of government,

[00:12:36] a bunch of, you know, responsibilities to different government agencies.

[00:12:40] They'll abolish the education department.

[00:12:41] But most of what the education department did will still be live and well.

[00:12:45] And I'll give you a quick example and then let you take the column from here, Lowell.

[00:12:48] Take sex education.

[00:12:50] They could easily get sex education out of the Department of Education.

[00:12:54] They could put it in the departments of health.

[00:12:56] So the National Institutes of Health, the FDA, I don't know where they would put it.

[00:13:03] And they could basically then say this is a health discussion.

[00:13:06] It's sexual health, right?

[00:13:07] And they could move that whole thing there.

[00:13:09] And then that's alive and well.

[00:13:10] But then they could do that to 20, 50, 100, I don't know how many.

[00:13:13] Pretty soon the education department doesn't have anything to do.

[00:13:15] So then they declare victory and they say it's abolished.

[00:13:18] It's gone.

[00:13:19] But none of the real tenants of it is gone at all.

[00:13:22] And that's my fear.

[00:13:24] Lowell?

[00:13:25] Yeah, absolutely right about that, Sam.

[00:13:28] It's a show game for them, right?

[00:13:30] If they want something, they'll feign a loss by, you know, getting rid of the Department of Education.

[00:13:39] But in truth, you know, they can move it around to anywhere they want, anywhere that's logical.

[00:13:45] Rename it.

[00:13:46] That happens a lot.

[00:13:47] You know, Common Core came along and got a lot of pushback.

[00:13:50] And so they renamed that to Utah Core.

[00:13:53] And, you know, so it's just a show game to them.

[00:13:57] But the great thing about this column is that the solution Ron Paul offers at the end of the column will work no matter what happens,

[00:14:06] no matter what the general government does, no matter where they put, you know,

[00:14:10] sex education and DEI and so forth.

[00:14:13] His solution is one that will work.

[00:14:18] But before getting to his solution, I just want to read part of his column here.

[00:14:24] It's so good.

[00:14:24] He says,

[00:14:25] The Constitution does not give the federal government any role in education.

[00:14:31] Instead, education is left in the hands of state and local governments and private citizens.

[00:14:36] For almost 200 years, American children were provided with education largely free of U.S.

[00:14:43] government interference.

[00:14:45] In the 1950s, a significant federal intervention in education was created as a response to fears that America was losing the space race to the Soviet Union

[00:14:56] and thus needed to improve science education.

[00:15:00] The Department of Education was created in 1979.

[00:15:04] That's just 45 years ago.

[00:15:06] And since then, presidents, both Republican and Democrat, have expanded federal funding and control of education with little or no improvement in student performance.

[00:15:18] Anger over their children being denied a year or more of education over fears of COVID caused many parents to abandon government schools.

[00:15:27] Many other parents began challenging the use of schools to indoctrinate children in woke ideology.

[00:15:35] Some of these parents started attending school board meetings and running for school boards.

[00:15:40] Woke education also caused more parents to abandon government schools.

[00:15:45] The key to improving education quality and stopping schools from promoting a political agenda is restoring control over education to those most concerned that children receive a quality education

[00:15:59] and who best know children's unique needs and abilities.

[00:16:04] Parents.

[00:16:05] The best way to empower parents is to restore parents' control over the education dollar.

[00:16:11] Unfortunately, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say unfortunately.

[00:16:15] I meant to say and.

[00:16:17] Fortunately, President-elect Trump has proposed adding a $10,000 tax credit for homeschooling parents to the tax legislation Congress will consider next year.

[00:16:30] Tax credits should also be made available for private school tuition and any educational expenses,

[00:16:36] such as supplies, tutoring or costs relating to participation in an extracurricular activity of parents who choose to send their children to government schools.

[00:16:48] Tax credits should also be available for donations to programs helping low-income students attend private schools.

[00:16:55] Education tax credits should be paired with cuts in the Department of Education.

[00:16:59] Americans will always spend generously on education.

[00:17:04] The question is who should control the education dollar, politicians and bureaucrats or parents?

[00:17:12] End of quote.

[00:17:13] Now, that was a really long quote, but I really, really liked the sentiment there.

[00:17:18] Maybe not so much for his conversation about public education, but certainly getting out of public education,

[00:17:29] providing tax credits to those who avail themselves of private and homeschooling opportunities.

[00:17:38] I think that's spot on.

[00:17:40] I mean, we need the economic freedom to educate our children in the way we wish.

[00:17:47] And I always felt that that was a strike against me, Sam.

[00:17:51] You know, as a parent of children who attended private school, not only did I have to pay money to educate my children at a private school,

[00:18:03] but then I also had to pay money to the state and to the county to educate other people's children in public schools.

[00:18:12] And I always felt that that was simply unfair.

[00:18:15] And so, but getting to the bottom line here of this column, the bottom line is that, you know, we should consider other alternatives.

[00:18:28] We should get our children out of public education and into private education and home education.

[00:18:35] And Ron Paul suggests a couple of great programs, the Ron Paul curriculum being one of those.

[00:18:41] The Ron Paul curriculum was developed primarily by Tom Woods at Ron Paul's request.

[00:18:47] That curriculum can be found at ronpaulcurriculum.com.

[00:18:52] This curriculum has pretty much everything.

[00:18:54] It has the basics that you would expect in any education program, math, English, science, history.

[00:19:00] But it also provides courses on public speaking, on business, personal finance, government, and much, much more.

[00:19:08] The War for Your Children, says this website, it is up to parents at an early age to begin to influence young minds to instill family values and insight.

[00:19:22] Free education is not free if it imposes upon your beliefs.

[00:19:27] Home school curriculum, this one helps you pass along your most important inheritance, your world view.

[00:19:35] It is nonpartisan and nonpolitical.

[00:19:38] It is pro-free enterprise and pro-business.

[00:19:42] That's the end of the quote from the website.

[00:19:45] And one reason I know so much about this website, Sam, is that I do listen to Tom Woods' podcasts at tomwoods.com.

[00:19:52] And I've been listening to him ever since probably 2008, 2009, you know, after the rally for the republic there in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

[00:20:04] You know, when Ron Paul was making such a big splash, Tom Woods spoke at that rally.

[00:20:11] And so I've followed Tom Woods ever since.

[00:20:14] And I know that Tom Woods spent several years of his life putting together courses for this Ron Paul curriculum.

[00:20:21] And so that's one option for parents who have abandoned public education, you know, consider the Ron Paul curriculum.

[00:20:29] Now, another great curriculum, another important one is the Freedom Project Academy developed by the John Burst Society.

[00:20:37] Freedom Project Academy is an online fully accredited Judeo-Christian classical education for students from kindergarten through high school.

[00:20:47] It provides access to live teachers.

[00:20:51] You can visit fpeusa.org.

[00:20:55] That is Foxtrot Papa Echo, right?

[00:20:59] F-P-E, Foxtrot Papa Echo, USA.org.

[00:21:03] Or you can get there, of course, via jbs.org.

[00:21:07] But here, again, is another great educational and online educational opportunity for those who have abandoned or want to abandon public school

[00:21:18] and instead tailor the education of their children to their own children's needs, talents, and abilities.

[00:21:29] I might just mention one other in passing here.

[00:21:33] The Tuttle Twin stories and history books are also very, very popular among parents who have withdrawn their students from the public government, you know, school indoctrination camps.

[00:21:45] And so those are three really great recommendations.

[00:21:49] And, Sam, you may have, you know, several others.

[00:21:53] So what recommendations or comments would you have, Sam, about this solution?

[00:21:59] Well, number one, there's a gazillion resources out there.

[00:22:01] I wouldn't even go into all of them, but a lot of them are tremendous.

[00:22:04] And one thing I'd refer to with regards to math, for example, is this Khan Academy.

[00:22:09] Okay, Khan Academy is virtually free.

[00:22:11] I mean, this guy, he started it because he was helping his nephew or something like that with math remotely, and he's like, you know what?

[00:22:17] And so it just went viral, and it's incredible.

[00:22:20] So there's a lot of resources that are inexpensive.

[00:22:22] I use American Heritage Schools a lot.

[00:22:27] They have an online program.

[00:22:28] There's tons of programs.

[00:22:29] But really what I want to get across about this is, look, the resources are secondary, and there's a ton of them.

[00:22:34] Have no fear.

[00:22:35] The first thing that Americans need to do is get over this idea that they cannot educate their own children.

[00:22:41] Once you get over that, then you can say, all right, when they're young, I can homeschool them myself.

[00:22:44] When they get a little older, they can go to a private school.

[00:22:47] There's a blend to make all that happen.

[00:22:50] There's resources.

[00:22:50] It's inexpensive.

[00:22:51] There's opportunities.

[00:22:52] And you've got to, first off, get this idea that I can do this.

[00:22:56] And once parents get that, they're off to the races.

[00:22:58] The other thing that you need to remember is this, and I'm going to hammer this home.

[00:23:02] Once you teach children the basics, that's to read, to write, arithmetic, science, history.

[00:23:08] Okay, the core basics.

[00:23:10] Once you give them that good start in education, and if you do it properly so they have the love of education in their hearts and in their minds.

[00:23:17] You know what?

[00:23:19] You don't need to do anything else.

[00:23:20] Kids will educate themselves naturally.

[00:23:24] They'll educate themselves naturally.

[00:23:26] They won't educate themselves in this three gazillion years of general education that's boring as all get out.

[00:23:33] No, but most of that you need to unlearn if you want to love, liberty, and God, family, and country anyway, because the universities are godless communist institutions.

[00:23:41] Go look at the 10th plank of the Communist Manifesto for documentation on the point that I'm making.

[00:23:45] The 10th plank of the Communist Manifesto calls for education for all, compulsory, force.

[00:23:51] They're not going to educate if they're going to force you to your beliefs of liberty.

[00:23:56] So all I'm telling you is your children will educate themselves once they have the basics.

[00:23:59] Reading, writing, math, history, and science.

[00:24:04] Once they get a lot of those basics in place, they will educate themselves.

[00:24:07] How do I know that?

[00:24:09] I've got children that are so good at things that I know nothing about, and they started when they were young.

[00:24:15] And they've taught themselves, and they went to school, and they did all these different things.

[00:24:18] And man, they know a gazillion times more about it than I know.

[00:24:21] How did that happen?

[00:24:23] Because when you have a love for learning, and when you desire to know something, you always, everyone, takes it upon themselves to become an expert at it.

[00:24:31] My son's an analytics guy.

[00:24:33] He's almost done with his master's in this analytics, and he's got a great job.

[00:24:36] He used to do it for sports, and I thought he was kind of goofy, and it was just a waste of time.

[00:24:41] Now he makes more money than I do.

[00:24:42] See what I mean?

[00:24:43] God save the republic and educate your children, please.

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[00:26:00] President Biden is in Angola for his first and only visit to Africa during his time in the White House.

[00:26:06] When Joe Biden hosted African leaders in Washington two years ago, he said the U.S. was all in on the continent.

[00:26:13] He pledged to reset America's engagement with Africa, and that has begun in Angola.

[00:26:18] The U.S. is refurbishing an old rail network that cuts across the country and building a new one to connect Zambia's copper belt and the Democratic Republic of Congo's cobalt mines to the port of Lobito in Angola.

[00:26:32] It's the most direct challenge yet to China's dominance in the region's mining and infrastructure sectors.

[00:26:38] The BBC's Ann Soy.

[00:26:41] Volkswagen workers launching rolling two-hour strikes at nine plants across Germany, underscoring their resistance to pay cuts and factory closures.

[00:26:49] The company says the cuts are necessary to cope with the sluggish European auto market.

[00:26:54] The strikes part of contract talks.

[00:26:56] News and analysis, townhall.com.

[00:27:00] Coast Guard searching for five people after a fishing boat got into trouble in stormy weather and rough seas off Juneau, Alaska.

[00:27:07] The crew of the approximately 50-foot boat, the Windwalker, sent a Mayday call that the vessel was overturning around 12.10 a.m.,

[00:27:15] but the Coast Guard's attempts to get more information from the crew went unanswered, according to a Coast Guard press release.

[00:27:20] The Windwalker capsized on waters off Point Cooverdon, southwest of Juneau.

[00:27:25] Seven cold-water immersion suits and two strobe lights were found in the water in the search area.

[00:27:29] The Coast Guard said the people who knew the crew of the Windwalker said that there were five people aboard,

[00:27:34] but officials have not yet been able to confirm that number.

[00:27:37] Ernie Bennett reporting.

[00:27:38] German Chancellor Schultz visiting Ukraine for the first time more than two and a half years.

[00:27:43] The visit comes just weeks after he was criticized by Ukraine's president for having a phone call with Russian President Putin.

[00:27:50] Schultz says Germany plans to deliver more military aid to Ukraine this month.

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[00:29:58] From atop the Rocky Mountains, the crossroads of the West, you are listening to the Liberty Roundtable Radio Talk Show.

[00:30:24] Well, thank you for listening, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:30:27] This is Lowell Nelson riding shotgun this morning with your host, Sam Bushman, here on Liberty Roundtable Live.

[00:30:34] We've been talking about getting out of public education and into homeschool alternatives.

[00:30:41] A great way to educate and learn.

[00:30:43] Teach your children the basics of reading, writing, arithmetic, and science and history.

[00:30:48] Give them a love of learning.

[00:30:50] In fact, you can rekindle your own love of learning as you teach them and share with them the very basics of learning.

[00:30:59] And with that love of learning, they will go on to greater heights than you can possibly imagine

[00:31:04] because their desire for learning will not be killed and will not be squashed, you know, by the public education system.

[00:31:12] It's designed to squash that sentiment, that desire, that thirst for learning.

[00:31:16] It's designed to squash that thirst, and they do it by rote memorization.

[00:31:22] They do it by, you know, teaching woke ideology, things that should not be taught in public education.

[00:31:31] And so, you know, allowing your children to go to public education is really killing their thirst for learning.

[00:31:40] And if you can teach them at home, you can teach them in little co-ops, boy, they will thrive.

[00:31:46] And they will have a lifelong love for learning.

[00:31:50] Now, turning the page on that and talking about just a little bit about Thanksgiving,

[00:31:56] I was interested to read Andrew Napolitano's column entitled Less Government Brings a Happy Thanksgiving.

[00:32:03] I thought that's a weird title.

[00:32:05] I mean, did we actually have any less government and a happier Thanksgiving?

[00:32:09] Well, no.

[00:32:11] This column by Andrew Napolitano last week was a series of questions.

[00:32:17] Now, these are good questions because they indicate the current state of affairs.

[00:32:21] But, you know, I'm not going to read through all of his questions.

[00:32:24] But I just wanted to read the last two or three paragraphs of this column because they talk about Thanksgiving,

[00:32:29] which is one of my favorite holidays.

[00:32:32] He says this.

[00:32:34] He writes,

[00:32:34] What if, on Thanksgiving Day, our gratitude is not to the government that assaults our freedoms and steals our wealth,

[00:32:42] but to God who gave us our freedoms and our ability to earn wealth?

[00:32:47] What if, on Thanksgiving Day, our gratitude is for life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness,

[00:32:54] and the exercise of free will and human reason?

[00:32:56] What if these are integral to our humanity, despite the government's assault on them?

[00:33:03] What if the Thanksgiving holiday has become a four-day oasis from a fractious government

[00:33:10] that is blind to the consequences of its borrowing, killing, and assault on freedom?

[00:33:15] What if, on Thanksgiving Day, we are most grateful that we are free creatures made in God's image and likeness?

[00:33:24] What if, on Thanksgiving Day, we begin altering or abolishing the government, make-believe or not?

[00:33:31] What if less government will bring a happier Thanksgiving?

[00:33:37] End of quote.

[00:33:38] Well, Sam, I like these questions because they cause me to express my gratitude to the author of my life and liberty,

[00:33:48] and that is, God in heaven above.

[00:33:50] And therefore, my allegiance is to him, you know, to my God, not to my government.

[00:33:55] I mean, too often in today's societies, our allegiances are to government, not to God.

[00:34:02] And I just love these questions because they lead me back to the author of my life,

[00:34:08] the author of my liberty, and that is our God in heaven.

[00:34:11] And these questions also induce me to do my civic duty to preserve what freedoms I have

[00:34:18] and to work to restore those that I have lost, both for my sake, you know, for me

[00:34:25] and for the sake of my posterity.

[00:34:28] Sam?

[00:34:30] All I can say is this.

[00:34:33] It's the kind of thing that we really need to think about when it comes to government

[00:34:37] is how does it relate to you and I personally, right?

[00:34:41] How do we think of happiness?

[00:34:43] How do we think of prosperity?

[00:34:45] How do we think of—and right now, as far as I can tell, it almost doesn't matter if it's Donald Trump

[00:34:49] or Kamala Harris or whatever.

[00:34:52] They're all violating—I mean, I don't see respect for the checks and balances

[00:34:57] or the founding fathers or to—I don't think for people—

[00:35:01] I don't think we're electing or appointing or nominating or people that are seeking to pull down power.

[00:35:08] I think everybody's seeking to gain power, Lowell.

[00:35:13] Unfortunately, I think you're right.

[00:35:15] The wrong people get involved in government, right?

[00:35:18] It's the people who don't want power that don't get elected.

[00:35:23] I mean, Ron Paul said this over and over.

[00:35:26] He said he wants a president strong enough to resist the temptation to irrigate power unto the executives, right?

[00:35:36] That's the kind of president we need.

[00:35:38] A president strong enough to resist the temptation.

[00:35:41] Well, the Yehoos who—most of the Yehoos that are serving in public office today, Sam,

[00:35:47] are not strong enough to resist that temptation.

[00:35:50] They want more power.

[00:35:52] They think they can do more good, they have more power, and they get that power, they exert it,

[00:35:57] but it's not constitutional.

[00:35:59] It's not within the framework created by the states when they formed the general government.

[00:36:04] And so we have this disastrous cesspool of people, you know, vying for power

[00:36:11] and exerting their will despite what the Constitution says.

[00:36:16] So that's the situation in which we find ourselves.

[00:36:19] It's also the situation in which, you know, Trump has defined himself in, what, about 40 days

[00:36:26] when he gets sworn in, basically two months from now.

[00:36:31] And this next column by Alistair Crook talks about this.

[00:36:34] He says the counterinsurgency is on against Trump.

[00:36:40] The war is on, he says.

[00:36:41] The deep state has launched a war of disruption to disable Trump's presidency.

[00:36:47] And so you ask yourself, why are they making this war on Trump?

[00:36:53] Well, Sam, I believe it's because he threatens the status quo, right?

[00:36:57] The status quo, which is where munitions manufacturers get rich off of wars.

[00:37:03] And this is exactly what General Schmidley Butler said.

[00:37:07] War is a racket.

[00:37:08] It's a way to make money.

[00:37:10] And they, you know, the munitions manufacturers, they don't want that upset at all.

[00:37:16] And so let's remind ourselves of what Trump has said.

[00:37:20] He said, quote,

[00:37:21] We need peace without delay.

[00:37:24] The foreign policy establishment keeps trying to pull the world into conflict.

[00:37:28] The greatest threat to Western civilization today is not Russia.

[00:37:33] It's probably more than anything else ourselves.

[00:37:36] There must be a complete commitment to dismantling the entire globalist neocon establishment

[00:37:43] that is perpetually dragging us into endless wars, pretending to fight for freedom and democracy abroad

[00:37:49] while they turn us into a third world country and a third world dictatorship right here at home.

[00:37:56] The State Department, the defense bureaucracy, the intelligence services,

[00:38:00] and all the rest need to be completely overhauled and reconstituted.

[00:38:05] To fire the deep staters and put America first, we have to put America first.

[00:38:11] End of quote.

[00:38:13] So now you know what Trump said, and now you know why the establishment is so against Trump

[00:38:22] and why they declared war on him.

[00:38:24] You know, you think about those six ATACMs fired into Russia a couple weeks ago.

[00:38:29] You know, those alone are not going to change the outcome of that conflict between Ukraine and Russia.

[00:38:35] But it does cross a line that Putin drew, right?

[00:38:39] I mean, he said this, you know, you cross this line, you might find a nuclear warhead coming back at you.

[00:38:47] And so, you know, basically we got people, you know, very close to the nuclear war button here.

[00:38:56] And it seems like the Biden administration is doing this on purpose.

[00:39:01] I don't think Biden himself knows what's going on.

[00:39:03] But those behind the scenes who want war, they want to engulf Trump in wars that he does not want.

[00:39:14] And so, you know, Crook in his column here explains the situation in the Middle East.

[00:39:22] He says Netanyahu controls Washington, D.C., essentially, and gets the U.S. to fight its wars on its neighbors.

[00:39:29] And he says the new Senate leader, John Thune, will have to play his cards carefully in order to extract maximum damage.

[00:39:37] He has leverage by trying to connect Trump to Netanyahu's carnage in the Middle East.

[00:39:43] And then Crook says that Trump will need to play his cards carefully, too, since for his purposes, the absolute priority are his two domestic wars.

[00:39:51] First, it is to dismantle the global neocon establishment.

[00:39:55] And second, it is to end the out-of-control government expenditure.

[00:39:59] Well, those two things Trump wants to do, he's going to find himself very difficult to do if he's got war in Ukraine and he's got war in the Middle East.

[00:40:09] And worse still, it would be war with Iran and maybe even war with China.

[00:40:15] Wow.

[00:40:15] I mean, it's a rough environment, Sam, and, you know, no need to delve further into the elements of this article.

[00:40:23] But I just wanted to bring this out to sort of underscore the mess that we got going on back in Washington, D.C., Sam.

[00:40:37] Well, I will say this.

[00:40:39] The headline of this article really tells the tale.

[00:40:42] The counterinsurgency is on.

[00:40:45] The counterinsurgency is on.

[00:40:45] Against Trump's storm.

[00:40:47] And this is kind of why I say that both seem to be just not focusing on what matters.

[00:40:52] It's like Trump's into retribution.

[00:40:54] Trump's into dismantling everything.

[00:40:56] And, you know, I support some of that.

[00:40:58] But, again, we've got to go about it using the checks and balances.

[00:41:01] We've got to go about it not seeking for power but seeking to pull it down.

[00:41:05] And every time I turn around, I hear Trump wants to push the executive branch's authority or Trump wants to do this or we're going to do that.

[00:41:12] And we've got to slow down a little bit and say, hey, how do we do this appropriately?

[00:41:17] How do we do this effectively?

[00:41:19] How do we do this in a way that makes sense?

[00:41:22] And we need to go about it, but we need to be very careful.

[00:41:24] And I'm afraid that we're throwing caution to the wind and we're putting a lot of people in charge who don't have any idea what the Founding Fathers would do or how they would go about it.

[00:41:34] And I think that's what we really need to tap into, Lowell.

[00:41:37] Well, I think Joel Skousen would agree with you.

[00:41:40] I know in his newsletters he's talking about the dangerous people that Trump is appointing.

[00:41:46] He's made, I guess, in Joel's estimation, a handful of good appointments and a boatload of bad appointments.

[00:41:54] And, you know, people who do not understand the deep state will not be able to dismantle the deep state.

[00:42:02] And by and large, all of his appointments are people who do not understand the deep state.

[00:42:08] They don't know how to operate.

[00:42:09] They don't know its history.

[00:42:11] And so that's Joel's beef with his appointments.

[00:42:14] And I, to some degree, share his concerns that way.

[00:42:19] Well, especially putting that guy in there that's the George Soros big old money manager guy.

[00:42:24] When that clown is going to be in charge of the Federal Reserve, for heck's sakes?

[00:42:28] Or, I'm sorry, the Treasury Department?

[00:42:29] I mean, what on earth is going on?

[00:42:32] Yeah, it makes no sense.

[00:42:33] It really does not make any sense at all.

[00:42:37] Well, I'll tell you another thing that doesn't make any sense, Sam.

[00:42:40] In Michigan, they've got election data that shows an average of two and a half votes per voter.

[00:42:48] Hey, that's neat.

[00:42:50] Got to vote early and vote often there, lol.

[00:42:53] It's nuts.

[00:42:54] Yeah, it is nuts.

[00:42:56] This article is dated October 13 of 24.

[00:42:59] And obviously, this article preceded the conclusion of the general election.

[00:43:03] But I do think the data is fascinating.

[00:43:06] And I'll just mention the data and we can move on.

[00:43:08] But the new Michigan election data indicates that 82,647 individuals cast 208,075 votes,

[00:43:20] averaging approximately two and a half votes per person, suggesting an overcount of 125,000,428 votes.

[00:43:31] According to Michigan Daily Absentee Voter Reports, there was a steady increase in multiple votes accumulating until October 28.

[00:43:40] Additionally, the qualified voter file indicated that 114,545 Michigan voters had cast 279,113 ballots from various addresses within the state as of Tuesday.

[00:43:59] Today, one person had even voted 29 times.

[00:44:05] Wayne County is not publicly going to explain this massive excess of ballots, but the address is true.

[00:44:15] End of quote.

[00:44:16] So anyway, Sam, this is all occurring in the month preceding the conclusion of the election.

[00:44:24] Now, the Constitution talks about Election Day.

[00:44:28] And we need to get back to that because this voting weeks and weeks ahead of Election Day is just insane.

[00:44:36] And Michigan data is proof of that where voters can vote 29 times.

[00:44:42] You know, it just makes no sense at all.

[00:44:45] Now, we don't know.

[00:44:46] We hope that these duplicates were not counted.

[00:44:49] But how can you be sure, right?

[00:44:52] If you mail in your ballot.

[00:44:53] You can't know.

[00:44:54] And that's the problem.

[00:44:55] That's why we've got to have – we've got to reject the machines.

[00:44:58] And we've got to have same-day voting by hand paper ballots.

[00:45:03] There's a lot more we can do than that by all means.

[00:45:06] But that's where it's got to start.

[00:45:08] And until we get there, you're not going to have any confidence.

[00:45:10] You're not going to have any comfortability in this thing whatsoever.

[00:45:14] Michigan is just one example of hundreds of thousands, right?

[00:45:19] Boy, you're telling me, Sam.

[00:45:21] And, you know, I think the people, we the people, we need to take responsibility for our elections.

[00:45:29] We have given that up to, you know, countywide election officers, to countywide, you know, vote by mail.

[00:45:41] USPS, you know, the United Postal Service.

[00:45:44] We've given up the control of our own elections.

[00:45:48] We the people, we have given that up.

[00:45:50] And we need to take it back.

[00:45:52] And by that, Sam, what I mean is we need in-person voting by legal citizens who live in their own precincts, right, who live in the precincts.

[00:46:01] We need to do our voting in our own precincts.

[00:46:05] Not this countywide stuff.

[00:46:07] We need to do that voting on election day, you know, while making allowances for those who simply cannot be there on election day.

[00:46:15] Sure.

[00:46:15] If they request a ballot, yeah, we need to be able to take that absentee ballot.

[00:46:19] But that needs to be the exception, not the rule.

[00:46:22] And we need to vote on paper.

[00:46:25] No computers at all.

[00:46:27] No computers to vote on.

[00:46:28] No computers to aggregate.

[00:46:30] No computers to count.

[00:46:31] We need paper ballots, you know, counted by volunteers, neighbors, you know, who live in each precinct and reported to the appropriate election official, you know, county clerk or a state recorder.

[00:46:46] Reported that very night.

[00:46:47] Reported on the 10 o'clock news and corroborated by exit pollsters.

[00:46:52] See, that's one of the biggest things we lack now, Sam.

[00:46:54] You can't have exit pollsters polling, you know, people who exit the polls because you don't exit the polls anymore.

[00:47:02] People mail their ballot in.

[00:47:04] And so you don't have.

[00:47:06] That's right.

[00:47:06] It was a great check and balance that we've lost.

[00:47:09] That's for sure.

[00:47:10] But, ladies and gentlemen, look, there's anomalies everywhere.

[00:47:12] There's problems everywhere.

[00:47:14] They all deny it.

[00:47:15] But yet evidence is everywhere.

[00:47:17] And while Trump is working to drain the swamp in D.C., let's work to drain the swamp in our own states, our own counties, our own communities.

[00:47:27] And let's get back to the election process that we can trust.

[00:47:31] And the way back is easy.

[00:47:33] And the clear milestones of what it will take to build trust in the election systems are there.

[00:47:39] We've highlighted them.

[00:47:39] And True the Vote just came out with 10 guidelines to bring back elections to accountability and transparency.

[00:47:46] And I support that as well.

[00:47:47] But anyway, great stuff.

[00:47:49] And we've got to know you guys have a website to help people in Utah get a handle on this, too, right?

[00:47:54] Yes.

[00:47:55] SecureVote.News is the website.

[00:47:58] SecureVote.News.

[00:47:59] And on that website, articles from all across the country and local.

[00:48:05] We like to focus on local as much as possible.

[00:48:07] But these are articles from all over the country.

[00:48:10] In fact, this article I mentioned today about Michigan, that article is posted on SecureVote.News.

[00:48:17] So take a look at that, folks.

[00:48:18] You'll enjoy the information that you find there.

[00:48:23] There you have it.

[00:48:24] And by the way, we've got to have people educated.

[00:48:26] And that's what this Liberty Roundtable Live show and Liberty News Radio and all of our efforts are about,

[00:48:30] the efforts that Lowell makes on KTalk and everywhere else, everything we do,

[00:48:34] Campaign for Liberty doing a phenomenal job in this, too.

[00:48:36] It's all about education because, you know what?

[00:48:38] If we're ignorant, we won't get anywhere, Lowell.

[00:48:40] So this is really an education campaign 24-7 in our efforts, right?

[00:48:46] Right.

[00:48:47] Thomas Jefferson wrote,

[00:48:50] If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.

[00:48:56] So you're exactly right, Sam.

[00:48:58] We have to educate ourselves and take control of the election process once again.

[00:49:05] We need – that's the way it was 40 years ago here in Utah, right?

[00:49:09] That's exactly what I just described earlier is exactly how we did things here in Utah decades ago.

[00:49:15] We need to get back to that, you know, back to the future.

[00:49:19] I don't know how that works, but we need to employ what we did 40 years ago to ensure the bright future going forward, Sam.

[00:49:29] Amen to that.

[00:49:30] This article from the 10th Amendment, Senator, really kind of lays out in my mind kind of the tidbit we need to be aware of and focus on.

[00:49:38] Yeah.

[00:49:39] You know, the political class has told us for years what the – you know, how the Constitution should work instead of the other way around, right?

[00:49:47] They want us to believe that in order for us to keep the government in check, we need the government to keep itself in check.

[00:49:56] That's what they'll tell you.

[00:49:58] That's what they want you to believe, that, you know, we need these governmental checks and balances.

[00:50:04] And if we put those in place, then government will check itself.

[00:50:09] Ha!

[00:50:10] Yeah, we've seen how well that worked out the past 200 years, right?

[00:50:14] The three branches of government they're talking about is the legislative, executive, and judicial.

[00:50:20] And, yes, I agree that they do perform important checks and balances.

[00:50:23] That's what the founders wrote into the Constitution.

[00:50:26] The framers put that in place because they wanted – they believed, and rightly so, that the best way to check government is to divide power and to put into place these checks and balances.

[00:50:40] But the fundamental check and balance written into the Constitution from the very beginning is one that's almost never mentioned.

[00:50:50] It's never taught in school.

[00:50:52] It's never discussed in – you know, civically.

[00:50:57] But it is the most important check, and that is the check of the states upon the general government, the check of the people upon their state government.

[00:51:05] So that check is the foundation of our Constitution.

[00:51:09] Jefferson said that years and years ago, 200 years ago, that the Tenth Amendment is the foundation of the general government, the U.S. Constitution.

[00:51:20] And so if we don't understand the Tenth Amendment, then we're hopeless.

[00:51:26] We do not understand the U.S. Constitution if we do not understand the Tenth Amendment.

[00:51:33] You see, the government is not going to check itself.

[00:51:37] Jefferson warned us how that would play out, noting that allowing the government to determine the extent of its own power would put the people of the several states, quote,

[00:51:47] under the dominion, absolute and unlimited, of whosoever might exercise this right of judgment for them, end of quote.

[00:51:55] Right?

[00:51:56] So just as Jefferson warned, we now have a federal government that claims the authority to do virtually anything and everything.

[00:52:03] And along the way, our liberties have been trashed.

[00:52:07] Well, if we want to reclaim our liberty, folks, we have to look at the Constitution through the eyes of the generation who wrote and ratified it.

[00:52:17] Jefferson's admonition was to, quote, carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted.

[00:52:23] Recollect the spirit manifested in the debates.

[00:52:27] He's talking about the debates in the conventions of each of the states back then.

[00:52:33] And instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text or intended against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed, end of quote.

[00:52:43] In other words, Sam, we should know what the ratifiers thought when they adopted the Constitution and what they were reading at the time.

[00:52:51] And then we must do what the framers said we must do to keep government in its constitutional cage.

[00:52:56] James Madison said we must refuse to cooperate with officers of the Union.

[00:53:01] Now, most states cooperate because of grant money, but they could refuse if they wanted to do so.

[00:53:06] James Iridale, one of the first Supreme Court justices, told us the only way to deal with usurpations of power is through the inherent right of the people to prevent its exercise.

[00:53:20] This is not just a good idea, Sam.

[00:53:22] It is the only way to deal with federal overreach.

[00:53:26] Jefferson said a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy.

[00:53:30] This is the rightful remedy for all undelegated power.

[00:53:34] And so, as Michael Bolden writes at the10thamendmentcenter.com, this is the real Constitution that supporters of the monster state don't want you to know about.

[00:53:46] The one where the people of the states themselves determine the limits of federal power.

[00:53:51] The one where the people of the states themselves enforce the Constitution through noncompliance and resistance.

[00:53:57] The one where no one who violates their oath of office is given support.

[00:54:03] Sam?

[00:54:03] Amen to that.

[00:54:04] Amen to that, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:54:06] 10thamendmentcenter.com.

[00:54:07] Michael Bolden doing a phenomenal job breaking it down for us.

[00:54:11] It's true.

[00:54:12] We need to not seek for power, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:54:14] We need to seek to pull it down.

[00:54:15] We need to use the checks and balances and go about it holding the moral high ground and obeying the rule of law.

[00:54:22] This retribution and all this other stuff has got to stop.

[00:54:25] We, the people, can stand together.

[00:54:27] We hold the authority and the power.

[00:54:28] And we delegated it to certain jurisdictions for a reason.

[00:54:32] Let's use those jurisdictions.

[00:54:34] If it can be used to gain power, it can be used to reject and to pull down power as well.

[00:54:39] Let's get to work and turn to God Almighty for our solutions.

[00:54:42] Lowell Nelson, CampaignForLiberty.org.

[00:54:44] Thank you so much.

[00:54:45] And God save the republic.